Through The Creative Door

1 | Making Space for Creativity with Elizabeth Gleeson

Alexis chats with muralist and fine artist Elizabeth, whose bold patterns and vibrant colours have transformed walls worldwide. From her largest mural in Japan to cherished personal commissions, Elizabeth shares how she balances large-scale projects with meaningful personal work.
Hear her candid insights on overcoming challenges, monetising creativity, and finding self-worth through art. Whether it’s sentimental socks or playlists fuelling her process, Elizabeth’s journey is a powerful reminder to embrace boldness and beauty in every creative step.
 
If you’d like to see more, you can follow Elizabeth on instagram; @ elizabeth.gleeson.artist
 
This episode was recorded on 13 October 2024 on the lands of the Woiworung Peoples. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being.
Thanks for listening, catch you on the next episode.
Psst! We are always on the lookout for creative people to share their story and inspire others. Have you got someone in mind who would love to have a chat? Get in contact with us via Instagram @throughthecreativedoor
 
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Creative resources from Elizabeth Gleeson:
The Creative Act: A Way Of Being by Rick Ruben 
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Created and Hosted by Alexis Naylor
Music by Alexis Naylor & Ruby Miguel
Edited and Produced by Ruby Miguel
 
00:09 - Alexis (Host)
Hello, my name is Alexis Naylor and I am your host here at Through the Creative Door. On behalf of myself and my guests, I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. Owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. May we pay our respects to all First Nations people and acknowledge Elders, past and present. On this podcast, I'll be chatting to an array of creative guests, getting a glimpse into their worlds and having some honest and inspiring conversations along the way. I'm delighted to welcome you to Through the Creative Door. 
Hello Elizabeth, how are you? 
 
00:53 - Elizabeth (Guest)
Yeah, I'm good. I'm doing great. 
 
00:55 - Alexis (Host) 
I am super chuffed to be here with you. Welcome to Through the Creative Door. You are such a talented bear. Oh, my goodness, you do the most stunning murals. How would I describe it? They're like intricate patterns. Is that the best way to? 
 
01:20 - Elizabeth (Host)
Yeah, that’s a good start. All of my work is really patterned and over the last couple of years I've really embraced colour in a really bold and vibrant way. So it's become an integral part of my work, but yeah, it's always patterned. 
 
01:33 - Alexis (Host)
It's just stunning, and of course, I mean you do other fine artwork as well, but that's definitely like your footprint is these beautiful murals. 
 
01:44 - Elizabeth (Host)
I do the fine artwork, but I will often use the actual artwork design as a mural as well. So once I've completed a fine artwork, that will also be available as a print for people to buy. Or I love, I love doing it like really big, really big scale as well. 
 
02:03 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, what's the biggest that you've done to date? 
 
02:07 - Elizabeth (Host)
Good question, because I've just come back from a working holiday in Japan where I created my largest mural to date on the front of an 8.5 metre high building. So, yeah, that's the biggest, for sure. 
 
02:23 - Alexis (Host)
How are you with heights? 
 
02:24 - Elizabeth (Host)
Totally fine. Totally fine, and this was a scaffolding job, so there's four levels of scaffolding. There was a team of four of us which was just so fantastic, and scaffolding makes things really really easy. Yeah really accessible. Yeah, really easy. 
 
02:43 - Alexis (Host)
How wonderful. Oh, I love it so much. Well, without further ado, first question; what does a creative space mean to you and why? 
 
02:58 - Elizabeth (Host)
Yeah. So in terms of being able to create, I've always been completely comfortable wherever I am. So, whether I'm in a cafe or on the train, I'm totally fine to sketch anywhere and I love doing that. But a creative space in terms of going to the effort to designate a creative space so that might be in your home, like it is for me, and I share a beautiful studio with my partner or, if it's elsewhere, if you have a group studio or a studio on your own somewhere else I think that designating that creative space specially is about taking your art more seriously and having a more disciplined approach to your creativity, so I think it's really important. 
 
03:54 - Alexis (Host) 
Have you always had a designated space? 
 
03:55 -  Elizabeth (Guest) 
I have, whether it's been like the lower level of a house, where it's like a little pokey space or a particular desk, but it's only been the last couple of years where I've had a studio space, like like I have now. 
 
04:13 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, yeah beautiful. If you could give me one project or one piece of work that you are most proud of creating. Which one do you think it would be, and like, how did that come about? 
 
04:36 - Elizabeth (Host)
I think I'd probably divert the question to be not so much about one particular work because, I could certainly name a few works that I'm incredibly proud of, um, but I would say that I'm probably the most proud of the style that I've developed, because because it's taken a number of years and it's taken a huge amount of believing in myself, which is quite new to me, actually. 
05:12
So I think that, even though there's a whole heap of really beautiful influences that I draw on that you know come through my work, it's still, at the end of the day, very me and it's become really recognisable. People recognise my work. They can tell when it's like, absolutely that it's, that it's one of my pieces, and I think that that process of developing a style that I'm really proud of, I think it's really beautiful, beautiful and I feel just so fortunate that it seems to really resounds with other people. It mirrors my own kind of inner journey of doing a whole heap of work to develop my, my self-worth and my self-confidence over, say, say, the last five years, yeah. So having this style that I now kind of sit with and work with and love creating, yeah, is a real reflection of kind of a lot of the inner growth that I've done as well as a person. 
 
06:18 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah. 
 
06:18 - Elizabeth (Host)
I am really proud of that. 
 
06:21 - Alexis (Host)
And so you should be. It's stunning, absolutely stunning, thank you, and so you should be. It's stunning, absolutely stunning, thank you. I guess that sort of leads a little bit into and morphs into the next question, which is what's something that's challenged your creativity. 
 
06:37 - Elizabeth (Host)
oh God that's so easy. 
It's time, oh really, okay, yeah, absolutely. I think. For a lot of years I had a really great office job, but it's really time consuming. I have three children and so all of the art that I was creating was needing to fit in between those small gaps, and that's really difficult when, as a creative person, you're kind of bursting with this desire and desire to create and it's a need and I know that you know what I'm talking about and when you're desperate to do that and have an outlet for it and you don't have enough time to do it, for it and you don't have enough time to do it, it leaves you feeling frustrated and unfulfilled. Even if you have a wonderful life and you're very, very fortunate and privileged, it still leaves something that feels like it's missing. So time has certainly been the biggest challenge for me, and I know that any parent could relate to that. 
 
07:43 - Alexis (Host)
How do you think that you've been able to sort of manage or tackle that challenge? 
 
07:50 - Elizabeth (Host)
I have a lot of energy. 
 
07:54 - Alexis (Host)
Well, that hasn't changed. 
 
07:58 - Elizabeth (Host)
And I don't really have much of an off switch. I kind of like and my partner can attest to this I just kind of like go full bore until I drop, and I'm not always very good at listening to my body and that can lead to burnout, and it certainly has um, but I, I can get a lot done. Um. So time, definitely a big one. But fast forward a few years to now, and I'm creating art as my full-time gig and I would say that a new challenge that I'm now facing is more of a financial nature. 
 
08:34
So, as you would well know that, when you start monetizing your creativity, it can open up a whole can of worms, and I'm sure it's like you could do a whole podcast episode on just that alone. For sure, but for me, what it can it often mean, where it becomes a real challenge is that and it. I'm sure it's not unique to muralists especially, but what it means in my case is that if you are stressed financially, you can end up saying yes to jobs that are smaller, so they're not as well paid, but they're still just as taxing in terms of your time and your energy. So financial is a huge challenge and I'm sure that there's not anyone that wouldn't be able to agree with that. That is monetising their creativity. 
 
09:45 - Alexis (Host)
And yeah the money and being able to monetise and yeah, be able to pick the skill sets and being able to say yes to certain things and to say no. And yeah, he brought that up as well. Yeah, and yeah just trying to manoeuvre that. So, yeah, I think not just, like you said, not just mural artists, I think we can all relate. Yeah, I for one can relate as a musician. Yeah, yes, tough landscape, but we push forth. 
 
10:11 - Elizabeth (Host)
Yeah, ideally I'd like to be doing mainly just really big jobs and then doing the smaller jobs in between because I actually really love them. They're often private commissions and they're for families, or I often have a lot of single women that commission me to do murals on their houses or something like that for them privately, and the relationships that are developed I really cherish. Yeah, no, I really love them. So I wouldn't want to stop doing those smaller jobs because they're really fulfilling in their own way, but it does kind of create its own challenges. 
 
10:55 - Alexis (Host)
Have you ever painted a van? 
 
10:58 - Elizabeth (Host)
No, I haven't. But I was having a discussion with a friend yesterday about the possibility of painting his car. Good old Camry, it's like an old beast that's on its way out and he's like, well, well, we may as well. so yeah
 
11:11 - Alexis (Host)
Okay, so this is gonna be an interesting one. I'm curious is there an object that you can't live without when you're creating? Like maybe it's like a sentimental thing or I don't know lucky pair of socks. 
 
11:32 - Elizabeth (Host)
Yeah, yeah, sure, actually, on mural jobs. There's a pair of socks that I always wear On my first day. Yeah, it wasn't actually the answer that I had prepared for this, but it's a pair of socks that my mother-in-law knitted for me for my birthday and I love them and I always wear them on the first day of painting a mural. I don't think she actually knows that. 
 
11:52 - Alexis (Host)
I love that little factoid. This is fantastic. 
 
11:55 - Elizabeth (Host)
Yeah, but usually it's my headphones, because I love listening to music. 
 
12:02 - Alexis (Host)
Have you got any particular artists? 
 
12:10 - Elizabeth (Host)
Artists I really love. I've been on a complete Tori Amos bender recently and you can always often tell what I've been listening to on a particular mural job because I'll often use that as like my mural reel backing on my socials, so you can often tell Okay very well, but I also really love podcasts, often tell okay, but I also really love podcasts, um. 
 
12:34
yeah, I mean, I find headphones really essential because music is um brilliant at helping you, uh, find a mood that you're after, whether you want to be inspired, whether you need to self-soothe because you need to calm down, um, or whether you want to get really pumped up, um and they're also really good when you have children and you need to focus. 
 
12:52 - Alexis (Host)
Try and block them out. Is that what you? Yeah? 
 
12:55 - Elizabeth (Host)
yeah, no, absolutely. But I often find that if I'm kind of through the real nutting out phase of the composition of a work and I'm into that kind of really lovely easier painting, stage, stage, if I'm in the studio, um, I switched to podcasts because then you can kind of feed your brain and take stuff in, because you're not actually trying to nut stuff out. 
 
13:19 - Alexis (Host)
yeah, what is uh your top five podcasts? 
 
13:23 - Elizabeth (Host)
oh, top five. I'll give you a solid top three, okay, well. 
 
13:28 - Alexis (Host)
I'll take it. 
 
13:29 - Elizabeth (Host)
I'll say yours, I'll have to say yeah, my, my favorite podcast over the last um couple of years has been Bench Talk. Bench Talk is a podcast that's hosted by Australian visual artist Tom Gerrard and he himself interviews creatives from actually all over the world. He's traveled a lot and he has got a lot of connections and he's it's wonderful the way he kind of really does, you know deep dives and often asks a similar kind of questions across. And you listen to all of the different kind of podcast episodes and when you hear so many people answer similar questions in a completely different way, it gave me license to realize that I don't have to fit a particular mould. 
 
14:29 - Alexis (Host)
Everyone's tapestry and story is totally different. 
 
14:33 - Elizabeth (Host)
Yeah it really is. So it's actually quite life-changing really listening to that, and also recently I've been listening to the Imperfects. 
 
14:42 - Alexis (Host)
How great is that I love them so much. 
 
14:46 - Elizabeth (Host)
Me too. I was pleasantly surprised. I was a little bit hesitant when I thought I listened to a podcast hosted by three men and they completely surprised me and I have so much respect for the topics that they cover and the guests that they get in who are so smart and so full of wisdom and beautiful insights, and so, yeah, they've been my favourite, and I say any others and that I probably flip around a lot. Yeah, I really like my sleep hypnosis podcast. Sleeping's not my strong suit. 
 
15:26 - Alexis (Host)
If you could give one piece of wisdom, one nugget of advice to another, creative, another human being what would it be? 
 
15:41 - Elizabeth (Host)
So, yeah, certainly, and what I do have to say comes from the perspective of building an art career in order to create an income from it. 
 
15:56
I think that, as creatives, a lot of us are incredibly good at being multi-disciplinary. A lot of us are creative octopuses and we can very happily just flit around all different kinds of things, and it makes us so happy and so fulfilled. But I think that that can be a bit more of a curse than a blessing. If you are trying to build an audience and if you want to build an art career and make an income from it, you do need an audience, and so I think it's really important to have the discipline to focus on one or two mediums and develop a style and stick with it pretty solidly for a while, because otherwise it can be. It can be confusing if you're building an audience and I just don't think that you can do it otherwise. 
I can give you a bit of background on why I feel quite strongly about that in terms of my own backstory, if you like. Yes, please, yeah, okay. So my my backgrounds initially in costume and fashion, and creating through pattern making and sewing was my absolute passion for most of my life and that's how people knew me. Certainly. However, I think was about five years ago. I'd already really started kind of getting into what I was doing. I loved it, but I made a very conscious decision to focus on the drawing, inking, painting of this these command, dallas that I was creating and really pursue that with, pursue more of a mature, disciplined approach, and I'd found this kind of type of drawing that I was doing. I'd started drawing these mandalas really really compulsively in a period of really intense grief about seven years ago, and I was really fascinated with the idea that a mandala is, these repeating segments and the finished results just always so beautiful. But the crux of it is that one section can be quite simple and when you take in really interesting elements that aren't necessarily so traditional in terms of the more kind of, when you think of a mandala being more Indian, tibetan, those, those kind of styles, I really loved that. But I really liked that you could put a bit of twist on it by bringing in like influences, like I really love the art decco and the Art Nouveau period and I am a huge fan of classic architectural design and I was incorporating all those kind of elements of quirky villages and all of these very kind of Art Nouveau style shapes in these mandalas essentially. 
 
And I got invited to do just a small solo exhibition of these, these works just on paper, and I inch them up and I was doing this mandala on the lounge room wall at home and someone invited me to come and do a mandala was more kind of traditional style on their yoga studio wall of their business and everything kind of grew from there. 
 
19:36
And I think it was at that point that I realized that of all the avenues that I could pursue, if I am quite serious about wanting to have an art career at some point that could sustain, sustain me financially, that I was going to need to make a bit more of a commitment and I decided that that was the direction that I was going to go in. And I was just so fascinated by this kind of phenomenon of creating sections and repeating and reflecting them and something that was simple became beautifully complex and detailed and at the same time, something that didn't make any sense on its own became it was like chaos would become ordered within these mandala type drawings that I was doing. So I found it very fulfilling as a direction to pursue, but after some time I started realizing that it was. It was a lot more to it for me and, in terms of I wanted to level up, I I met my partner, who is the most incredible artist that I've met, and I think I really wanted to impress him And-. 
 
21:01 - Alexis (Host)
Well, nothing beats striving upwards. It'll put a cracker off anyone. It's fantastic, inspiring. 
 
21:10 - Elizabeth (Host)
And I had all these kind of beautiful ideas that were in my head and I was literally dreaming about them at nighttime and I finally managed to bring this image of what I wanted my art to look like, building on everything I'd already created, and I managed to get it out on paper, where it was far more kind of William Morris, mixed with art nouveau, mixed with folk art, and it was really botanical and interweaving vines, and I realised that I had done it and this was what I wanted to do and this was kind of the style I wanted to create, continue to create and to develop, uh, for however long. This made me so happy and as soon as I tapped into that and was creating that, uh, things just really started, yeah, taking off. For me, it's like you know so, when you tap into something that's asking to come through and those things happen, it's just like solid, oh yeah, it's like solidified, yeah, yeah. 
 
22:17
It's just, I was where I needed to be creatively yeah. 
 
22:22 - Alexis (Host)
Got an extra question for you. If someone wanted to do what you do or develop their creative process, have you got any advice on what resources or like so? Books or courses or? 
 
22:44 - Elizabeth (Host)
As a resource, and you probably had a few people say this to you. But there's that wonderful book, the Creative Act by Rick Rubin, which is just. It's such a staple for creatives because of how wonderful it is. It's really good at stripping back any of those kind of and reminds you to create for you you know, not for anyone else, not for a market to create for you, because that's where the actual magic is. And he's really good at talking about your creativity like a privilege that's bestowed upon you and if you do have that, you need to honor that and this is how you honor it. 
 
23:37
And he's got great tips if you're feeling blocked or if you're just keen to kind of find out where your creativity can go in terms of, like, exploring it right, getting right into the corners and expanding it and growing it further. So that's a really good resource as a book. You can listen to it as well. I think that if you can do little courses, it would be really great connecting with other creatives. Connecting with other creatives where you're doing something similar and you can nut stuff out together and find out that you're not at all alone in what you're trying to do is just so essential, because nobody is, but we think that we are. We all think the same thing and it's like it doesn't need. It doesn't need to be that hard. 
 
24:23 - Alexis (Host)
Uh, getting a mentor is a really great idea have you got any advice to someone how they would tackle trying to find a mentor? 
 
24:31 - Elizabeth (Host)
yeah, there's quite a few courses going around now. I've been part of a mural nomad business program, which has been really wonderful, and my partner's been part of the art Academy Pro I think it's called, actually with Tom Gerrard, yeah, and his wife, Claire Bradshaw. It's really wonderful, not just for muralists or creatives. So those are two really good ones to start with. Even jump on Facebook groups of people who are doing similar things and you'll just find there's a whole world of people out there who are struggling for the same things and it's just, yeah, such a good resource and I don't know you can start. 
 
25:16
Maybe this is a little, I don't know if it's a helpful thing to offer up, but having developing your own resilience, to be determined to put your own style out there, I just think is the most important kind of internal resource that you can have, because there's nobody else that can create what you create and we go through uni or well, some of us don't, but we, we grow up and we want to create and we want to and we look at all these people who are doing it successfully and it can be a real trap to think that in order to be successful ourselves, we need to emulate their style or the way that they've done it, or be like someone, but but what they're doing is they're just being themselves, and they're being uniquely themselves because only they can do it, and it's just the same for yourself, whether you've got the confidence to or not. It's it's. It's something that's really important to work on, because until you are committed to expressing yourself without trying to be anyone else, your own completely unique voice and perspective can't come through. 
 
26:41 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, well said, bloody well said. Resonate with that. So much so so much. One last question if you could hear anyone come on this podcast and answer these questions, who would it be and why? 
 
26:59 - Elizabeth (Host)
I would absolutely say my partner, Gerard Rousseau. He's just such a dedicated artist. He's so incredibly talented and has been the biggest influence in my own art career. In addition to creating incredible charcoal sketches and the occasional sculptural work, he creates these illuminated copper works that you can see around us. But if I'm not allowed to say him, I will. I will say there's a Melbourne street artist, fine artist Mandoline. I don't know if you're familiar with her or her?
 
27:34 - Alexis (Host)
No, but I'm excited to go down that rabbit hole. Yeah, yeah. 
 
27:39 - Elizabeth (Host)
So she creates paper, cut fine art, sculptural works and paste ups and is just a really beautiful muralist with sprawling botanicals. Her kind of the crux of a lot of what she creates is about the concept of rewilding. So those kind of little weeds that kind of come into city life when we try and keep everything really sanitized and clean and neat and she just finds the magic in those little bits that kind of come in and I just I find something so pure about her practice and the way she's just really focused on on what she does and the way that she delivers it. Um, and she quite literally is making the world a more beautiful place, which is just really nice too. So she's really humble.
 
28:33 - Alexis (Host)
Amazing she's the package. Oh, I love it. Yeah, oh, my goodnesElizabeth Gleeson,on, what a joy this has been chatting with you. Thank you so much for your time and thank you so much for coming on through the creative d. 
 
thank you for having me. 28:48 - Elizabeth (Guest) 
Thanks for having me, I really appreciate it. e. 
 
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27 | Holiday Special with Alexis & Ruby

Join host Alexis and editor Ruby as they wrap up an incredible first season of Through the Creative Door with a festive finale! Reflecting on their favourite moments, the duo shares six standout highlights from the season, featuring inspiring guests with standout moments.
From overcoming self-doubt and advocating for your creative journey to the profound truths about preparation, persistence, and passion, this episode is a heartfelt celebration of the creative spirit. Plus, there’s a special gift for listeners: a sneak peek into their brand-new bite-size series launching in 2025!
Tune in for some laughs, inspiration, and a sprinkle of Christmas magic!
This episode was recorded on 18 November 2024 on the lands of the Wadjuk People and the Wurundjeri People. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being.
Thanks for listening, catch you on the next episode.
Psst! We are always on the lookout for creative people to share their story and inspire others. Have you got someone in mind who would love to have a chat? Get in contact with us via Instagram @throughthecreativedoor
00:09 - Ruby (Co-host)
Merry Christmas Alexis
 
00:11 - Alexis (Co-host) 
Merry Christmas Ruby. 
 
00:13 - Ruby (Co-host)
We're here, we're ready.
 
00:15 - Alexis (Co-host) 
We have gone through a season
 
00:20 - Ruby (Co-host)
We have. I cannot believe it. I was looking at the Spotify list of all the episodes and I can't believe. At this time we're recording this as the 24th. The 24th episode has just come out, so that's pretty awesome. 
 
00:33 - Alexis (Co-host) 
I know I'm so proud of all of us, absolutely and everyone on the season. everyone's the tapestry of season one and I think what better way for us to round off season one, yeah, and do a Christmas episode? I wish I had bells on.
 
00:49 - Ruby (Co-host)
We decided that we would both choose three standout moments that we both really loved and I'm so glad that we both chose three completely different moments and it wasn't rehearsed at all, no, no it wasn't. No, not at all. I'm glad that we chose. Um, we've got, yeah, so six beautiful moments that we're going to share. Would you love to go first Alexis? 
 
01:20 - Alexis (Co-host) 
I( would love to go first. Actually, my first one is in your hometown, James from Brass Party. He was so eloquent and so gracious and so, oh, just you could hear his enthusiasm of all of the creative ventures that he does as a musician. But I think the thing that just really sort of just I had this. 
 
01:54
aha, yes, like you know you know when people are at a comedy or like poetry and instead of clapping, they like click their fingers because they like agree. I just felt that you know one of the like major things that he said was like you don't need to be one of the critics. Yeah, there are so many people that will criticize you. There's like, yeah, you don't need to be one of them. You need to be your own advocate and like, be there to advocate and push and uplift yourself, and that I was just like yes yeah.  
 
02:36 -Ruby (Co-host)
Absolutely yeah.That's so true, and I think, as creatives, it's so easy for us to be so hard on ourselves, because how else are we going to make our art better if we're not criticizing it? But then you also got to put a bit of a line there like am I being too hard on myself or is it the right amount? 
 
02:54 - Ruby (Co-host)
and I feel like a lot of creatives don't have that line 
 
03:01 - Alexis (Co-host) 
Yes, very true, but it's like we live in a very critical space. 99% of the time, right, we are applying for funding, we're applying for festivals or we're, you know, pitching show ideas, you know, or gallery ideas, or you know there's so much that you're like, you know, like one of our guests that we've had this year, you know, he talked about how he couldn't get to work on the projects that he wanted, and so he just made all the projects that he wanted. 
03:34 - Ruby (Co-host)
Yes, was that Blake? Yeah, yes, yeah, very inspiring. 
 
03:36 - Alexis (Co-host)
You just if it's not already there, then you just, you parve the way forward. 
 
03:42 - Ruby (Co-host)
What's that saying? If you build it, they will come, or if we build it, that's it. Yeah, absolutely, and that's the thing. You can't just wait around for things to happen in the creative world like things going well, fingers crossed. Things will come towards you, but most of the time you do have to be the leader. 
 
04:02 -Alexis (Co-host)
Oh, a hundred percent. And you also. You know people talk about it's like, oh, oh, they were a overnight success or whatever. It's like, no, no, they did all the hard work and it just meant that when the time came, that a particular opportunity came, they were already ready you know., 
 
04:30 -  Ruby (Co-host)
That’s actually a beautiful segue into one of my favourite moments, which was from episode 18 with Ray Leigh. I was so what she said was if you're always in the right place and you're always prepared, eventually it will be the right time. And I loved that for the reason that exactly what you said was you do what? If you're prepared and things come towards you, it'll be the right time. 
 
04:49 - Ruby (Co-host)
so and I am like a huge advocate for being prepared, like overly prepared
 
05:01 - Alexis (Co-Host)
You are my spirit at all, because organized and I love that, because I like being organized. I hate being underprepared.
 
05:09 - Ruby (Co-host)
I mean there have been moments where I'm like, oh, I'm not like 110% prepared, maybe I'm like 80% prepared, but I feel like most of the time that's more than a lot of people. But I loved, I loved, loved how Rayleigh said that, because it is so true. You have to work on your craft every single day and people don't know what's going on behind the scenes, they don't know how many hours have been put into this one tiny project. It could just be one show that you're doing once a year, but you're working for months and months, and months and months, and then people see the final products and they go oh, that was pretty good, that was quite nice. Yeah, it's like six months work, it's a lot, it's a lot. So I just really connected with that phrase that she said. I loved it 
 
05:53 - Alexis (Co-Host)
It’s so true and like you're saying, like you put so much time and energy and effort into these projects, yeah, these shows, tours, these exhibitions, yeah, like it's so much of yourself in it. 
 
06:10 - 
Yeah, actually, speaking of segues, there's probably a good segue into one of my favourite bits yes oh look at us flowing into yeah, um, I think I from memory I think it was episode 19 yeah, okay, so actually another person that was up in Queensland, same as Ray Leigh yeah, my, she talks about how, like you know, you want this final product to be such a like strong representation, you know, and you want it to be good, um, because it's your baby, like you've spent so much of your, like, it's your life, it's um, everything intertwined in that for such a period of time. I don't want to be misrepresented. It's like, yeah, you're so like, oh, yeah, I can't even find the words I just like she was. 
 
07:09
Just when she said it, I was just like, oh my God, it's so true, like it is your baby. Yeah, but once it goes out into the world, world, you don't sort of own it anymore. But up until that point it's like every single you know, mix and master. Every single colouring decision, every marketing You don't want to misrepresent it until, like, it goes out in the worlddecision, everything is just you know. 
 
07:32 - Ruby (Co-host)
yeah, definitely, and your art is essentially like a small part of your soul, yeah, isn't it? So I feel like that's a and it's a quite an intimate thing. I mean, I know, speaking as a musician, you would get this as well. To put out music into the world is a huge thing recording and then you've got to do all the graphic design. Then you've got to do all the marketing like there's just, there's so much that goes into it, like, no wonder people are so they hold on to the rights to their music because it is yours and people will try and take that away. Like you know not saying all labels are like this, because they're not. There's some fantastic labels and representation out there, but you've got to read that fine print. Got to read that fine print. Got to read the fine print. That's right, that's it, absolutely. Oh. 
 
08:27
My next favourite moment would be episode two. So right at the beginning, with our friend Josh Wells, who he's an amazing photographer. Oh, friend Josh Wells, so amazing photographer. Oh, josh Wells, yeah, he did our Through the Creative Door photos and I think he is such an amazing role model for all creatives, not just photographers, and his quote that really stuck with me was I've always thought of art as something that humans are compelled to do to make sense of our lives and world together, and that kind of takes the heat off you a bit, which I loved. I love this because there was once a moment in our lives where we picked up a guitar or we picked up that first paintbrush for the first time. We didn't know it, but like that moment would change our lives forever, completely change it. I can't even remember the first time I sat down at a piano, but that definitely changed my entire life. It's who we are as a person, like I identify as a musician, and to step away from that would be very, very foreign. Yeah, what's your last favourite moment, Alexis? 
 
09:47 - Alexis (Co-host)
It would have to be with Carl Knox, because he talked I mean he talked a lot. That episode was like one of our biggest episodes and I know that was one of the hardest ones for you to edit. 
 
10:02 - Ruby (Co-host)
It was really. It was a long, long one, but it was full of gold. 
 
10:07 - Alexis (Co-host)
I know, I know I just walked away from this chat with this person being like I'm just so enamored with your brain. Who are you? What is happening?
 
10:17 - Ruby (Co-host)
It's always Carl. Carl does that. 
 
10:23 -  Alexis (Co-host)
But it was one of those things where so much of what he was saying just really hit home. 
 
10:30
He talked about just that struggle with money and having to sort of step away from being an artist and feeling like you have your tail between your legs because you weren't quote-unquote successful at it and having to go back to a corporate job and you know. And obviously talks through how he manoeuvred through that with getting you know a mentor and figuring out his pricing and all that kind of stuff. But I think, off the back of the financial, which really resonated with me, one of the major things that he said which again really hit home was this notion of like I couldn't kill the artist inside. It's like the artist inside still had something to say and still needed to be an artist. And this sort of goes back to what you were saying about how you identify and you are a musician, like you are a creative. It's like innately you. And that is exactly yeah. As soon as he said that sort of phrasing, I was just like oh, yep, oh yeah, got me right in the kicker. 
 
11:33 - Ruby (Co-host)
Yeah for sure. I feel like a lot of creatives can connect with that, because it's so true. There have been so many times where I don't want to do music anymore because I couldn't do this. I remember when I was 15 and I tried to quit music because I couldn't go to a friend's birthday party because I had a show or I had a rehearsal or something, and I said, mum, that's it, I'm quitting music. And I think I lasted about 24 hours and I wrote a song about it. So there is, it's just like, it's just, it's just in us, isn't it? Yeah, it's very hard to shake that, I think. 
 
12:12 - Ruby (Co-host)
But I don't want to shake it. 
 
12:14 - Alexis (Co-host)
We don't want to shake it unless we're shaking it like a Polaroid picture. 
 
12:22 - Ruby (Co-host)
You know you're not meant to shake Polaroids, you're meant to put them down. 
 
12:24 - Alexis (Co-host)
No, you're meant to put them down. Yes, exactly, neat and dark. 
 
12:28 - Ruby (Co-host)
There we go. My last favourite moment of season one through the creative door was with the amazing Mark Turner in episode 10. Yeah, I really loved the phrase when he said take the pressure off yourself and it'll work out, and I loved. I loved that because, like we've said in this chat, it is so easy to make ourselves our own worst critic. That's not good enough. That wasn't on time. I played that like terribly and all of that negative energy. Then we eventually project that out. We don't want to do that. 
 
13:17
And I remember Mark said as well he's like you see those people out there in the creative industry and they're just in this natural flow state and you're like why are things happening for them? Why are they just consistently going up and up and up? It's because I wouldn't say that they're not judging themselves. They probably are. You never know what's going on behind closed doors. But I think they've probably found that line of supporting themselves but also being, you know, their own critic. But but being nice to themselves. And I personally have learned that very in a very, very hard way. I used to be so hard on myself and I continuously can be, but I think I've learned to pull it back to like a reality. Is this actually serving me, or am I just being silly? Am I just looking for attention? 
 
14:06 - Alexis (Co-host)
Yeah, but I also think that in this business there is a culture of you know you should be saying yes to everything. 
 
14:14 - Ruby (Co-host)
Oh, absolutely, because it's like this opportunity will never come up again. I should be doing this, should be doing that. If it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel right and that's okay. But I just really, I really loved what Mark said about that. Just take the pressure off and it'll work out, and you end up getting yourself into this flow state and eventually things will just naturally come in like they're meant to. 
 
14:39 - Alexis (Co-host)
And I think you end up then gravitating to other creatives that are in that flow state. 
 
14:44 - Ruby (Co-host)
In that flow state, absolutely, I also loved the fact that when you're in that flow state, like you said, that you attract these people. That you're in that flow state, like you said, that you attract these people that are in that same flow state, but sometimes they're actually on that next level of their business or the next level of the career or whatever, and then eventually you will get yourself up, like it's as a musician it's. I heard that saying it's always good to play with people that are better than you, because then you become better, it pushes you to be better. Yeah. 
 
15:14 - - Alexis (Co-host)
They always say that you don't want to be the smartest person in the room. Exactly, always want to be the smartest person. Rubs off on you, yeah, good one. 
 
15:24 - Ruby (Co-host)
I really love that. That's a good one. Yeah, and then our shared favourite moment together was episode 14 with Anna Davis. 
 
15:35 -  Alexis (Co-host)
I just adored we both adored the fact that she just was so sure, so sure from the get-go. She didn't have a backup plan. And that was what a beautiful thing. She was like, nope, didn't have a backup plan. Everyone was like what are you going to do after school if you're not going to be a photographer should have a backup, like she was like nope, I'm going to be a photographer yeah,
 
15:59 - Ruby (Co-host)
That’st absolutely.  And you know what? I'm sure that there have been moments in her life where she's thought I might do that or I might do that, but the next day she'll wake up and go no, I'm a photographer, you know. Yeah, she was so sure and I love the fact that she was saying that confidently to other people when those people asked, well, what's your backup plan? And it wasn't. Oh, I'm not too sure, I think I might. No, she was like I'm a photographer, that's who I am. And I think once you get that in your mind sort of like who you are as a creative and what you do and what you offer and what you put out into the world things just you just get creative and make it happen. Like that's what my mum would always say. You've just got to get creative and think outside the box oh, I like. I like that one, because I have had an array of jobs. 
 
I've worked at Grilled, I've worked admin and at Backpackers so many different things and I think it's good to try different things. But if you keep coming back to the same career, it doesn't necessarily have to be music. I'm just relating it to me. I've just found I've always gravitated back towards the arts, always gravitated back towards music, and you just get creative and make it work 100% yeah, I just can't. 
 
17:20 -Alexis (Co-host)
100% yeah, I just can't. I'm a lesser person without it in my life, and I'm sure you're the same oh, I don't know. 
 
17:25 - Ruby (Co-host)
I mean, I could not think of my life without music, but mainly because music has helped me meet so many amazing people like yourself and like Mark. 
 
17:39
You know so many creative people and I don't actually think that I would have had the confidence to be a full time musician without the community that we have around us, because that's also another thing. Some people don't have the support of their families. My mum and my family were so supportive of me in doing my creative pursuits, but I do have friends who their parents weren't supportive and that can be really hard. So having this community around us is so important, yeah. 
 
18:12 - Alexis (Co-host)
I thoroughly enjoy the uplift that our community gives us. Absolutely. I wouldn't be doing half the stuff I get up to, if it wasn't for someone being like okay, yeah, you've got an idea. How are you going to make it happen? That's it. 
 
18:25 - Ruby (Co-host)
That's where you've got to get creative and think outside the box. 
 
18:31 - Ruby (Co-host)
That's right your mum. 
 
18:33 - Ruby (Co-host)
Well, that is a wrap of season one through the creative door. I'm so looking forward to jumping into next season. We've got some awesome people coming up, awesome creatives left, right and centre, and I think it's going to be an awesome 2025. 
 
18:50 - Alexis (Co-host)
I'm so excited. I love this journey with you. Rubes Me too. 
 
18:54 - Ruby (Co-host)
It's been lovely. I've thoroughly enjoyed myself for the whole year. Every time it pops up it's like ding, ding, ding, please edit through the creative door. Oh, we've got today. What are we doing? What are we talking about. No, I love it. It's so good. Thank you so much for bringing me onto the team, the TTCD team. 
 
19:17 -  Alexis (Co-host)
So we have some very exciting news that's coming up in 2025, don't we Rubes? Yes, we do. Another team member coming into the fold of Through The Creative Door, and the man of the hour is Sam Timmerman, who is going to be joining me on a new segment called B-Side 
 
19:43 - Ruby (Co-host) 
Yes, that's right and B-Side are little, bite-sized episodes, with Alexis and Sam talking about their favourite vinyl records. Vinyl's for you was a huge part of your childhood. With your dad growing up, you talked about the covers, you talked about the music, you talked about the concept of everything. That's something that you hold really dear. And now you get to do it with Sam. 
19:51 - Alexis (Co-host)
I know my dear, you continue that legacy along yeah. It is beautiful and, yeah, it's just such a joy to share love of art, covers, music and just how it resonates and sparks something when you listen to these tracks on these vinyls and vinyls. Just such a beautiful warmth, so good. 
 
20:27 - Ruby (Co-host)
That's a wrap.  It's been such a wonderful year. Thank you for bringing me on to the team, alexis. I really appreciate it had a lovely time and I'm really looking forward to 2025 and seeing what creatives we get on, because I love it.
20:38 - Alexis (Co-host)
oh my goodness, Rubes, I love that you have been ready and willing to receive this journey with me and yeah, it's just such a joy love your face, oh love yours. 
 
20:58 - Ruby (Co-host)
 oh love yours. Merry christmas, merry christmas and happy new year. Happy and safe new year. Look after yourselves and keep creating through the festive season. 

26 | Success Is In The Moment Of Creating with G

In this episode, Alexis welcomes G, also known as Lowdown G: an actor, writer, musician, director, and creator of the comedy podcast The Lowdown. G opens up about their creative journey, from lucid dreaming scenes to managing a theatre, and how music, plants, and goldfish ground their boundless imagination.
Navigating challenges like mental health and finding joy in imperfection, G shares valuable lessons, including their mantra: “Fail your way to success.”
G has requested anonymity, so there are no socials to share, however, if you’d like to hear more from this talented human, check out “The Lowdown”, anywhere you get your podcasts. 
 
This episode was recorded on 11 October 2024 on the lands of the Woiworung Peoples. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being.
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00:09 - Alexis (Host)
Hello, my name is Alexis Naylor and I am your host here at Through the Creative Door. On behalf of myself and my guests, I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. Owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. May we pay our respects to all First Nations people and acknowledge Elders, past and present. On this podcast, I'll be chatting to an array of creative guests, getting a glimpse into their worlds and having some honest and inspiring conversations along the way. I'm delighted to welcome you to Through the Creative Door. Well, hello, G. How are you? 
 
00:54 - G (Guest)
I'm pretty good. 
 
00:55 - Alexis (Host)
I'm so excited to have you here, G. You have touched on so many parts of your craft Voice, actor, performer, musician. You've owned a theatre, you've been a theatre manager, you've I don't know playwright you did so much stuff with plays.
 
01:16 - G (Guest)
 Yeah, yeah, yeah, all that kind of stuff, I'm still a writer, I'm still writing
 
01:21 - Alexis (Host) 
But you are host and creator of this new, what I call it satire comedy podcast. 
 
01:33 - G (Guest)
We're still working it out. Yeah, it's dark satire. Like when I first put it online I said that it was comedy because it didn't really give me enough options. Said that it was comedy because it didn't really give me enough options. You know, and then I don't know. It's just developing. There's a narrative that seems to be developing. It's pretty perverse. 
 
01:55 - Alexis (Host)
I love this. Well, it's called the Lowdown Podcast for those who want to check it out. First question, what does a creative space mean to you and why?
 
02:09 - G (Guest)
It's meant all sorts of things over the years. Look, it is just. It's just a space where my head can run free. So I used to be super tidy. I used to have this tidy space. I had this chair I bought called the pod, that I would sit in and write in, and that was my thing. I sat in the same spot every time and I would get up and walk around and do all sorts of stuff, but that was my space where my mind could run free. Then I had a theatre. 
 
02:42
I love a black space, so I used to love working just in the black, because then your mind can really project on it and I see things very visually. Whatever's in my head, I can literally see it, control it, manipulate it. And if I'm in dark space, like even at the house I live in at the moment I just recently took it down, but I just had a little black thing in the garage so I could just sit in perfect darkness with just the light of my laptop and let my mind go wild. And sitting in that space, everything was so visual so I could examine every element of whatever world I was going into and creating and even when I stepped out of there I'd step out because it had been so intense the film would still be playing in front of my eyes. It was like a reality laid over another reality. 
 
03:42
I can also lucid dream and control my dreams if I choose to. I've been able to do that since I was pretty young. So I would you know, I, when I was writing full-time and I used to write for 20 hours of day and then, yeah, sleep for 10 hours. I sort of lived on a 36 hour clock at one stage when I was writing full-time and I was I getting, but I would wake up in the morning, I would focus in on whatever scene I was writing that day and then I'd go back to sleep and I'd dream it and when I got up, really all I had to do was write it down.
04:22 - Alexis (Host) 
Considering how many things that you've done over the years and obviously your creative journey has not ended, so it's a bit of a hard one to ask, but what is one project or one body of work that you're the most proud of creating, and how did that come about? 
 
04:40 - G (Guest)
I remember when my first major play won some awards and there was a reading at the Arts Centre and I was just curled up in my chair for so long but about halfway through the show I actually managed to listen to the audience and they were laughing their asses off and that was a special moment. But then the theatre. I mean that was the dumbest thing that we could do. We just wasted all our time and money. But the amount of artists that we supported through doing that. There were people doing giant origami, there were people playing music this is the theatre that was feet theatre yes that. 
 
05:23
I did with my partner, Amanda Folson, but also my last band, Sock. That was probably the most liberating thing. We were just a comedy rock duo, except we played sort of a five-piece band. We'd play half a drum kit each. I played bass and guitar and harmonica, played bass and guitar and harmonica, and Ben, my counterpart, played keyboard and Moog and Korg and drums and tambourines and shakers and all sorts of things at the same time. So that was pretty joyful. But then my best work is now joyful. But then my best work is now, um, and it's wild and it's crazy and it's bits and pieces and it's full of mistakes and it's clumsy, um, but through it I'm managing to get out a whole bunch of things that I've always wanted to get out. 
 
06:23 - Alexis (Host)
This is such a great segue into, I think, the next question that I was going to ask, which is what's something that's challenged your creativity and and how did you manage, or how are you managing with that? 
 
06:37 - G (Guest)
I struggled with depression and anxiety for quite a while there and I guess it was when my career started to decline, or at least after my initial successes, which were quite big. You know, I got to. I had a play on at the Malthouse Theatre and I got to play the Sydney Opera House as an actor and I was meeting with all sorts of producers and things as a writer and different studios over, and that I didn't feel comfortable with because I didn't feel like a writer. I never intended to be a writer, although that's what I think I always was from the beginning but when I had my first, even when I was meeting with agents out of drama school, they were like so you're a writer? And I was like no, no, no, I'm just an actor. I just wrote a bunch of stuff because I couldn't find anything that was right. 
 
07:29
And they were like no, no, you're a writer. And so my agent picked me up and managed my writing as well, which was amazing. But then to the mental health thing I was researching. I didn't know whether it was going to be a play or I thought it was going to be a film, and I tried all these different formats and I'm writing as a novel now. As a novel now. But I was hanging out with a bunch of criminals, murderers, bank robbers, all sorts of stuff and I got myself in some pretty wacky situations. But in a terrible situation one day where my life was threatened and I, yeah. Then I got worse. I didn't. Finally, I was diagnosed with PTSD and that took me a long time, a long long time, to deal with. 
 
08:25 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, is there an object or a thing that you can't live without when you're creating? 
 
08:34 - G (Guest)
My guitars. Really, I always have a guitar. It's my security blanket, it's my therapy, it's my meditation. If I'm stuck with anything, if I'm having any trouble, I just pick up the guitar. I've been playing long enough now that I don't look at my hands, I don't decide what I'm going to do. Most times I just let it play and I guess the emotions or something play the music and and then sometimes the words come out and the words play the music. 
 
09:12 - Alexis (Host)
Do you feel like, as a writer, you know, when you need some something to spark, something like you'll go and play guitar? 
 
09:22 - G (Guest)
Yeah, I mean, music's what I go back to and plants. I'm a a big gardener, and have been since I was a tiny kid, and I, yeah, I love the plants. I also have a goldfish pond with some goldfish in there, and they chill me out as well, yeah, but to me these days it's just more about relaxation and just finding the centre in yourself, and that's the creative space actually that I should have mentioned, which is the calm centre of myself, where my mind's clear and there's nothing fogging me up and then I can do. 
 
09:59 - Alexis (Host)
Well said, well said. If you could give one piece of advice, one nugget of gold to another creative, what would it be, and why? 
 
10:11 - G (Guest)
It's pretty simple and it's actually been said in your podcast it's just stay at it if you want to do it and fail your way to success. I mean, you fail so many times with everything you do. You can paint so many pictures and maybe only one of them comes out. You can write so many things, but then things come out of that. I had a play, I didn't even have a play. 
 
10:41
I was going through my laptop with my partner one day and we were just reading bits and pieces, all this unfinished shit. You know, some of it was super long and there was this one little scene just these two guys looking at a house that they were going to rob, two dumb guys who never grew up, and just hang out with each other and get pissed and play pool my partner's like that's great, that's a great scene. I'd love to see what happens there and I'd forgotten about it. I didn't about it, I didn't recognise it and I was in love and it was new love and now I have two kids from that love. But then I started writing this play and this beautiful love story came out of this simple, dumb piece of writing and we actually performed the Piano Thief a bunch of times and I would like to turn it into a film at some stage.
 
11:57
I'd have to expand it, but the characters are so beautiful and it's just from trying and trying and and putting stuff away as well, like sometimes you think you've got something that you really want to do and you, every time you go out at you, just make a big mess and it destroys you and you know you could just keep going at it until you fall to pieces. But sometimes just putting it away, going all right, I failed there, or maybe I didn't, whatever and then coming back to it and then, and then maybe you find something. Then you know, because we we change as well, like so sometimes there's something you want to do but you can't quite see it. You know you can't quite put a frame on it, you can't quite find the notes, or you can't find the voice, you can't find the key, you can't find the right instrument, and then sometimes it comes back when you least expect it, and there it is. 
 
13:06
And you know, just doing that, like if you I mean not everyone's gonna be successful, but success isn't. You know, there's success and there's success. Success is in the moment of creating think, because a lot of it can be pretty shitty. Like I don't want to be recognised, I'm happy to just do it. I'd like to be my ideas to be recognised. 
 
13:36 - Alexis (Host)
I've said this all along I never, never, wanted fame, never. I mean, I'm not famous, but, yeah, my desire was never to be famous. My desire was for my colleagues and for my peers and people to recognise their work and for that to get accolades. Not yeah, yeah. 
 
13:56 - G (Guest)
I wouldn't mind my work to be famous. Yes, that's what I mean, Because I'd like it to have an audience Like yeah, there are times that I really do have something to say that I think is important and I would like people to get in contact with that. 
 
14:12 - Alexis (Host)
No matter what body of work that you put out, you have all the intention under the sun of how you want that to be perceived, but the reality is, once that body of works out there it that that baby's no longer ours like we can't control what happens with it, and so do you stop yourself from putting that body of work out? Well, no, but it is definitely at the mercy of society. Yeah, to do what it will yeah, yeah, and I like. 
 
14:43 - G (Guest)
I think people are generally smart enough to deal with that. I do worry about the way the internet works, because it is so polarizing and it is based on triggering us. I mean, the whole model is money for your fear you know, we will play on your fear so that we can build our bank accounts, and that's a dangerous model and that needs to be examined, or at least the public need to become more aware of it and more clever about how they use it. 
 
15:22 - Alexis (Host)
Well said, well said. Last but not least, one more question if you could pick another guest, another creative, to come on this podcast and answer these questions, who would it be and why? 
 
15:37 - G (Guest)
There's a friend of mine who is a Melbourne writer, actress Mingzhu Hai, She'd be great to interview. She's a creator. She's done all sorts of crazy stuff over the years. She's in big films and stuff like that, and then she's also just been making art for years in all sorts of things. Nathan Curnow's a playwright who's Victorian at least he's in the rap, I think. Also, well, my cousin and her partner, Jack and Tegan fantastic musicians. I just went to a concert, to an album launch of Vaz the other day for a band called Gold Tooth, Gold Tooth, Gold Tooth and I with a T-U and the what are they called? But they've just released their record so you can check that on Spotify. They're awesome, but they just went to Italy for a year. 
 
16:42 - Alexis (Host)
Oh no, I need to go to Europe to interview them. 
 
16:46 - G (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, but they'll be back. They'll be back, you know, and you'll still be doing a podcast. 
 
16:49 - Alexis (Host)
Thank you so much for being on Through the Creative Door. This has been such a blast. ]
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25 | Creating Magic Through Connection with Lima Brightlove

Step into the vibrant world of immersive art and music with Lima Brightlove, a multi-genre DJ and installation artist transforming Perth's creative landscape. In this episode of Through the Creative Door, Alexis dives into Lima’s fascinating journey—from crafting large-scale interactive art pieces with reclaimed materials to collaborating on the groundbreaking Strange Festival. Discover how Lima’s innovative installations breathe new life into unexpected locations, creating communities where people can connect, linger, and explore. 
 
If you’d like to see more, you can follow Lima on instagram; @ limabrightlove
 
This episode was recorded on 28 August 2024 on the lands of the Wajuk Peoples. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being.
Thanks for listening, catch you on the next episode.
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00:09 - Alexis (Host)
Hello, my name is Alexis Naylor and I am your host here at Through the Creative Door. On behalf of myself and my guests, I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. Owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. May we pay our respects to all First Nations people and acknowledge Elders, past and present. On this podcast, I'll be chatting to an array of creative guests, getting a glimpse into their worlds and having some honest and inspiring conversations along the way. I'm delighted to welcome you to Through the Creative Door. 
 
Hello, Lima, how are you going? 
 
00:52 - Lima (Guest) 
Yeah, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, 
 
00:54 - Alexis (Host) 
oh my goodness. Thank you so much for coming to Through the Creative Door. We're actually coming through another creative door in this beautiful space, but, yes, I'm so thrilled to be chatting with you. You are such a talented bear so that, for those that are listening, you are a multi-genre DJ and you play all around Perth and very loved, very loved. But also you are an immersive installation artist, which I'm very intrigued to delve into, because I feel like you will be the best person to describe what that encompasses, because I feel like that's quite massive, like that could be a lot of things, yep. 
 
01:36 - Alexis (Host)
Just when I was chatting to you and organising this interview, I was so chuffed to hear that you were involved in the Strange Festival which I was so lucky enough to just fall upon when I was living in Perth, which is this. For those that don't know, how about you describe what that festival is? 
 
01:56 - Lima (Guest)
Sure, no dramas. So hi everyone. My name's Lima, I'm an immersive installation artist, and what that means is I create art that's interactive. It means most of it tends to be on the larger scale and all of it comes out of ideas, out of my head, and I only work with reclaimed and repurposed materials as well. 
 
02:24 - Alexis (Host)
That resonates with me so much I love that. 
 
02:29 - Lima (Guest)
So three years ago, Strange Festival. The festival directors wanted to bring more people into the CBD in the middle of winter, at a time when nobody, especially in hot, sunny Perth, wants to go out. The first year I actually worked on the doors of Strange Festival. I was one of their ushers and pedestrian traffic wranglers and I loved it so much that the following year I put together a proposal and did an artist submission. So never one to do things by halves. I collaborated with two other artists. We had an enormous space, close to maybe a hundred square meters or so, that we turned into an experimental music ambient lounge, chill space. I built four secret rooms. There were just so many hidden little puzzles and things to see and do and find.
03:39 - Alexis (Host)
 For those listening, the beautiful thing was that this festival happened with all of the sort of shop fronts and warehouse spaces and all of these spaces that were vacant in the city and they were just like turned into these magic wonderlands as this festival. It is just like I said, I stumbled upon it and I was just like taken into another world, being like I've just like walked off you know a main street in the CBD of Perth and suddenly I'm in this like mystical. What is happening? Yeah, fantastic. 
 
04:11 - Lima (Guest)
So each artist gets allocated a yeah, like an empty shop in the CBD. Strange works very, very hard with other stakeholders in the CBD to have access to these empty spaces and fill them full of art for 10 days. You know we're so lucky to have that kind of support, you know, from commercial, from the commercial sector. We, I guess, you know, in some ways we wanted to, we wanted it to, we wanted the retail sector to feel inspired and invigorated as well. There are some very dead spaces in the city which I think don't add to your civic pride or anything like that. So, yeah, I was so, so excited when I was chosen as one of the first artists last year to do something like that. Yeah, it was really exciting. And then this year I thought to myself well, if I can do it with, you know, like a team of people, maybe I can do this on my own as well. And, you know, maybe I could produce all the art that's in. You know that I want to exhibit inside it. Yeah, and I did. It's amazing. 
 
05:29
Yeah, everyone loves the treasure map. I call it. You get, you get given. You know, you get given a little. You know a five piece of paper that has all the empty location, all the you know locations, the venues, mapped down on it. It's your job to uncover, find them all. Yeah, it's so cool. 
 
05:48 - Alexis (Host)
I love that element of it. It's like the adult treasure hunt.
 
05:55 - Lima (Guest)
 It's so great we call it the art trail. Everyone knows what an art trail is. This is an art trail that has a bit of an element of mystery about it. You never know who's doing what part of the trail at what time, so you do run into the same people sometimes. And, yeah, it's, it's a. It's a lot of fun, it's a lot of fun. They expanded last year, and this year as well, into live music, so they created a live music venue out of the basement of the Carillion, which used to be the food court, so they were putting on bands in an abandoned food court, and they also had a pop-up cinema as well, which, yeah, had some incredible food offerings that were only for strange. So it was popcorn seasoning, strange popcorn, and, yeah, it all it was. It was such an amazing way to, yeah, I guess, show people what local people can do 100% locals, like all people from Perth. 
 
06:53 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, amazing. This might be a hard question to ask because, obviously, being a DJ and then also installing art in the way that you do. But what does a creative space mean to you and why?
 
07:12 - Lima (Guest)
I love this question. I love this question. Let's go back to you know, talking about working with reclaimed and repurposed materials. So I love working in unusual locations that have, I guess, certain boundaries or parameters around them If you're working in a space. So I'll give you an example the empty shop front that I was allocated this year for Strange had seven power points in the wrong room in the wrong room. So our first challenge was to run power from one space into another space through a gap between the wall and the window which was about maybe four and a half centimetres wide. 
 
07:59
So when we go into some of these pre-loved, you know, spaces, part of our creativity is the problem-solving. You know that goes into, okay, the idea that I have in my head. Now the execution. You know I have to, I have to find a way through this, through this. Yeah, even things like you know you never know what ceiling height you're going to get. You never know. 
 
08:26
You know I had grand plans to do a lot of stuff hanging from the ceiling, but a lot of the ceiling panels that I was working with were so fragile and, you know, not capable of taking the weight that I wanted, so we brought in some trussing instead, which had winch winches on it. So we wound up the trussing, you know, hung my three meter western ground parrot off it. I built a three meter bird for this out of a cafe blind, which is one of those big plastic things that stops the rain from coming in on a veranda, and a whole bunch of soft plastics, yeah. So in the style of faux stained glass, yeah, we winched up this enormous bird, yeah, and dressed it and put heaps and heaps of. I guess we built these trees out of fallen branches and things and, yeah, we brought all the outside to the inside. 
 
09:25 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, so creating space to you is forever changing, depending on what the project is. 
 
09:32 - Lima (Guest)
Absolutely. I guess one of the things that I like to do in my installations is I really like to have an entry and an exit point. A lot of gallery spaces are just kind of like, you know, they throw you into this big empty room, you know, and you do wander around on your own and, you know, choose where you want to go, but people being people, they kind of just all migrate to the same thing. What I like. It's almost like I'm building a mini art trail inside an art trail, like people come into one of my venues and they do follow a bit of a path, but every zone that they're walking through, every artwork that they stop at, has opportunities to stay and opportunities to interact. 
 
10:16
Yeah, and we have people that sometimes get to the end and go oh, I'm not ready to leave yet. They turn around and they go back in. Yeah, and I get a lot of people who just stay, and that is exactly what I want to do. You know my whole ethos around putting creativity into an empty space. You know I want it to be a place where people feel like they can stay, feel like they belong, feel like they have a place where, you know, they have that sense of belonging and yeah, and they're in part of a mini community in there. 
 
10:50 - Alexis (Host)
Oh, I love that. What a beautiful answer. Oh, I adore it. What is something that you're proud of creating and how did it come about? 
 
11:05 - Lima (Guest)
I recently worked on a NAIDOC week project with a venue called the Rechabite in Northbridge in the city. Here in Perth we're on I forgot to say as well, look, we're on Wadjuk Noongar country here. I just want to recognize that, pay our respects to the elders past, present and emerging. It was really special being invited to dress three venues inside one building for NAIDOC week with full blessings from the First Nations folks that we were working with, the thing that I'm super proud of directing the theme for our event. So there was in the main hall there was a large party going on with performances 100% First Nations, of course. On the rooftop we had DJs and market stalls and sensory activities going on, and then in the main bar area there was a media wall set up with blue carpet not red carpet, blue carpet, and the blue carpet was a deliberate move. The theme of this whole event was we Are the River Inunga, ngaalak, nidja, milyar, and so the whole thing was river themed Swan River, durbal, yarragan. Very, very important resting place for the Woggle Rainbow Serpent, as it's called in the culture, and for the main entrance of Rechab ite, which is, if you imagine, like a kind of an oldie grand heritage staircase. You know that kind of leads you up and then has two little staircases peeling off. At the top we built a river along the balustrading using all you know bits of blue shade cloth and pool coverings and and then I ran blue LED lights all the way through it. That chased each other and, you know, created flow up the staircase. We had two mannequins at the front. One was wrapped in indigenous flags, again with full blessings, and the other one was wrapped in Torres Strait Islander colours, and we did the whole thing with as much native greenery as we could get our hands on. 
 
13:27
I'm really proud of my team for running with these creative ideas and the vision that I had for this Part of it always feels a bit, I feel, very humbled by the amount of creativity my installers and my volunteers bring to the team as well, bring to the art. So, on the one hand, you know I am definitely in there up to my elbows and on my hands and knees with them. On the other hand, I can also walk away from that to direct something else or to, you know, talk to a different team that's looking after rooftop bunting, for example, bunting being the fabric flags, and I know that the team that I've left behind doing plastics is absolutely going to keep going ahead with the right visio. So, um, yeah, that's I'm really, really proud of. We also only had 13 days to pull off nadoc weeks. So, yeah, right, we were under the pump. Yeah, we were really under the pump to come up with the concept, the design, the execution, yeah, and then, yeah, sort it all out.
 
14:29 - Alexis (Host)
Part of the beauty and we spoke off mic about this is about that sort of in the middle of a project, where you know sometimes you're like, oh my goodness, can we get this across the line? And sometimes it's the time pressures or the ideas or, yeah, like you said, the circumstance, the locations, but there's something really beautiful about the being able to rally together and just still deliver, with all of that in the middle. 
 
15:07 - Lima (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And, look, I want, I need to be able to trust my team. I also need them to be able to trust me as well. You know, because there are times when we have to make really crunchy decisions on something that might have been set in stone and I might have to, you know, cut it in half, for example, and say, look, I said we were going to do a, b and C, but actually we've only got time to do a and B. We're going to have to leave out C. You know, and you're going to have to trust me on this, that it's still going to be just as good. Yeah, but doing that sort of stuff, you know, like, yeah, just, I guess you can't do it without a team. You really can't, you really can't. 
 
15:46 - Alexis (Host)
So, yeah, this is probably a good segue, maybe into what do you think has challenged your creativity and what do you think the major lesson was?
 
16:01 - Lima (Guest)
 Good question, good question. As an installation artist like the, the challenges of working with reclaimed and repurposed materials. One of the challenges is that you can't just go out to the shop and buy another one. If I found something on the side of the road, I can't go back to that same spot. To me, that's a challenge that's worth doing because it extends you in ways that you wouldn't normally. Sometimes it's great when you have materials that you know are going to keep coming in Cardboard, for example, you know we go to. You can go to the back of any good guy's shop and help yourself to as much cardboard as you like. But yeah, when it's something that you know is precious, that you know is rare, or that you know is really integral to your artwork, is really integral to delivering your concept, but there's only 30 centimetres of it available, you know the pressure's on. You've got to rise to that challenge. Yeah, yeah, there is no second chance with that. 
 
17:15 - Alexis (Host)
Do you think there's also some kind of like beauty in that, though, that you only have one crack? 
 
17:21 - Lima (Guest)
Yes, absolutely, absolutely. You know, I never thought that I'd be drawing parallels with this style of visual arts and music, which is what my background is. You know, I've been a musician since I was five. The live element of that and having only one crack at it, you know, is often what drives us as musicians. But in visual arts, what I found was that, working with reclaimed materials, I found that same drive, I found that same spark, you know, wanting to do my absolute best, you know, to really honour this material that I only have a small piece of, or 30 centimetres of, or that I know will be you know, a really important part of this. 
 
18:07 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, I love that. And it’s so true. All you can do is be prepared as you possibly can be and it will fall where it may. Whether that's art or music, yeah. Now if you could give one piece of advice, one nugget of gold, to another creative or another human being, what would it be? 
 
18:36 - Lima (Guest)
I think it would be, find your people. Surround yourself with the people who do egg you on, who make you feel like you want to be bigger and better than what you've just done. Who make you feel like you're capable of more. Some years ago I'd been living in Perth for a very long time and I was going down a path with music that I thought I wanted you know, festivals, heading into clubs, that sort of thing but I wasn't happy and I wasn't getting the job satisfaction from it. And at the time I thought it was because I was angry at Perth, I was angry at where I was for not being able to deliver that to me. So I uprooted myself and I moved, you know, over east and I'm gonna, you know, do this differently and it's gonna be a whole new experience, and it was a whole new experience. 
 
19:43
But during COVID I was forced to move back to Perth, as a lot of people were, and I had the opportunity to start again and to restart my music career and what I found was that when I reached out in different ways to different people who aligned more with my values rather than what I thought was my career trajectory. Man, amazing things started to happen. That's how I ended up in places like this, Like in. We're sitting here in, you know, a beautiful bar that is queer friendly, that is welcoming and accepting, arts friendly and I wasn't connecting with those parts of myself that felt fired up about that, and so I wasn't reaching out to those people. Now I know I know how to recognise that little, that little burn inside me that goes oh, I love this and I want to work with you and, yeah, I want to support your gigs or your exhibitions, or you know your ideas as well um, and let's find ways to do that yes, 
 
21:07 - Alexis (Host)
Oh, my goodness, I'm so glad that you came back to Perth and that you found your people,yay! I’m curious, would you have any advice if anyone wanted to do what you do in any way, shape or form? Would you have any suggestions of resources or materials that one could read, watch, attend? 
 
21:30 - Lima (Guest)
Yes, there's courses you can do. They're quite heavily marketed online. They're aimed at curators, installation artists, but the things that I found the most helpful wasn't necessarily reading about what other people did or looking at it on Instagram. It was going and being immersed in other people's immersive art and it was being on that, receiving end of the immersion and then coming out of it going. How did I feel about that? And if I was to do something that evoked a similar depth or frequency of feeling in someone else, how would I go about that and what would I want to do? The examples that come to my head are and they're pretty famous examples around the world. 
 
22:23
Teamlab do some incredible work in the digital space and as well as the 3D immersive space as well. They work a lot with projections as well, and the other one that I find really intriguing is Meow Wolf. So Meow Wolf build worlds within worlds within worlds, so you can walk into one of their, I guess, fake supermarkets and there will be a refrigerator that actually turns out to be a door into another room, which is another world, that has neon cats in garbage bags. You pull a pram out and there's a slide in a tunnel that goes to another world. Oh my goodness. Going to places like this, where people built worlds inside worlds, really, really made me go. This is what I want to do, yeah yeah. 
 
23:32
My all-time favourite festival is a teeny, tiny little festival called The Town in rural Victoria. About 2,000 people go every year, set way up in the Upper Gippsland Mountains, and it's actually it's called the town because the whole festival is themed as a town. The whole festival is themed as a town. So there is a fake, Well, there is a real post office and there's a Centrelink and there's shops and there's a bakery, yeah. So yeah, there's lots of ways that you can theme things without necessarily heading into sort of like cosplay or, you know, like augmented reality territory. You can theme things using your imagination and you can create. 
 
24:30 - Alexis (Host)
Sometimes you need that external to unlock it yeah, yeah.
 
24:35 - Lima (Guest)
Um, the fantasy is as good as you want it to be yeah, oh, that's a good line that is a good line. 
 
24:43 - Alexis (Host)
One last question, if you could hear someone come on this podcast and answer these questions, who would it be and why? 
 
24:54 - Lima (Guest)
Oh my god, I'm so excited to answer this question. I'm so excited to answer this question. I spoke about a little festival called The Town that really inspired me to be an installation artist the creative director and founder of the Town, Michael Scarlett. If I heard an interview like this of his, I would be over the moon. Yeah, I would love, love to find out what. I would love to see what goes on in Michael's head to be able to produce the types of events that he does immersive events that he does. 
 
25:31 - Alexis (Host)
Amazing. Well, I will just have to see what I can do to make that happen. 
 
25:37 - Lima (Guest)
Please do Please do, please do. I guess you know a lot of just in closing, when people would come through my exhibits. They come through and they're often, you know, sort of awestruck and then they say, so, where did all this come from? And I said, well, it came from inside my head. All the things that you're seeing are the ideas from inside my head. Out of my head, yeah, and you know it's. It's such an honor to be able to do things like that, to feel like some people are enjoying the things that I come up with in my head. 
 
26:18 - Alexis (Host)
Oh, my goodness, and it's such a beautiful gift that we have as artists to be able to share what's going on in our head and be able to give it to others. 
 
26:28 - Lima (Guest)
Look, that's something that artificial intelligence is never, ever going to be able to replicate no, that's very true. Never, ever. Not in a million years. Yeah, I feel really excited for, yeah, what's going to come up next? 
 
26:40 - Alexis (Host)
Amazing. Well, I can't wait to see what you do next. It's just you're already doing amazing things and I'm just so chuffed. Thank you so much for coming through the creative door. It's been an absolute pleasure. You are such a gem. 
 
26:55 - Lima (Guest)
My pleasure Alexis, thanks for having me. 
 
27:00 - Alexis (Host)
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24 | Challenges Are Opportunities To Get Creative with Blake Williams

In this episode of Through the Creative Door, Alexis sits down with Blake Williams, a true creative powerhouse from Perth, Western Australia. Blake wears many hats, from his role as a radio announcer at Mix94.5 to being the director of Williams Creative, frontman and manager of corporate band PROOF, and producer/host of the nationally broadcasted music interview show The Scene. They dive into Blake's diverse career, exploring how he balances multiple creative roles and what keeps him inspired and moving forward. Whether it's his insights on managing creativity in the music industry, his thoughts on building meaningful collaborations and connections, or his approach to staying grounded in the chaos of it all, Blake shares his wealth of knowledge with energy and optimism. 
If you’d like to see more, you can follow Blake on Instagram: @ blakewilliams_au 
 
This episode was recorded on 27 August 2024 on the lands of the Wajuk Peoples. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being.
Thanks for listening, catch you on the next episode.
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00:09 - Alexis (Host)
Hello, my name is Alexis Naylor and I am your host here at Through the Creative Door. On behalf of myself and my guests, I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. Owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. May we pay our respects to all First Nations people and acknowledge Elders, past and present. On this podcast, I'll be chatting to an array of creative guests, getting a glimpse into their worlds and having some honest and inspiring conversations along the way. I'm delighted to welcome you to Through the Creative Door. 
Hello Blake
 
00:51 - Blake (Guest)
Hello Alexis. How are you doing? 
 
00:53 - Alexis (Host)
I'm so good I am all sorts of emotions right now. I'm very, very chuffed that you said yes to coming onto Through the Creative Door. 
 
01:04 - Blake (Guest)
Well, listen, we're talking about creativity, which is something that I do every day, that a lot of people do every day, and it's good to talk about. 
 
01:12 - Alexis (Host)
For those listening. I need to at least even remotely touch the sides with your creative ventures, because you are such a talented bear. 
 
01:21 - Blake (Guest)
I've been around for a while. 
 
01:23 - Alexis (Host)
No, you just. I love that you are such an advocate for the arts but more importantly, you have demonstrated just how much of an advocate you are for live music and for musicians in Western Australia, which, as a musician, it's so lovely to have people that are advocating and pushing that forward. But that is one of many things that you do. Music is your first love, like you're a musician, you're the front man and the manager and everything of the corporate band Proof. 
 
01:57 - Blake (Guest)
Correct. 
 
01:57 - Alexis (Host)
Oh my God, you're an MC, you do radio, but you also do work for ABC sporadically as well. 
 
02:04 - Blake (Guest)
I mean, I think I mean I've been doing this for, you know, 18 years, something around about there and you end up doing a lot of different things and it all kind of seems like the same thing after a while. So, yeah, I'm on air with Mix, I do some freelance stuff with ABC for whatever shows they've got going on. We have a show on Foxtel Music, director of Channel 7's Telethon, run a company called Williams Creative which is half agency, half creative company, and we can talk about what that does because it's a big part of my life. Plus, yeah, proof the Band, and I'm exhausted just thinking about it, to be honest. 
 
02:37
But it's all music, it's all performance, it's all about pushing an industry forward and that's the performance side of my life. There's the other side, which is the advocacy side of not only music but also entertainment, arts and events, and so recently, as the president of the EIA, which is the Event Industry Association, which is all about putting events in front of government and going how do we get funding? How do we change legislation? How do we get grants? How do we make sure that creatives get grants that don't just, you know, fall by the wayside? So there's a lot of things that kind of fill the diary. But it's all positive and it's all in service of arts. 
 
03:11 - Alexis (Host)
Yes, yes, and I think that is the beautiful spark that you have, that that light that you're shining across the world is genuinely that. That is your massive motivator is just pushing the arts forward. 
 
03:30 - Blake (Guest)
Well, thank you, I appreciate it. It's about getting people. I mean it. It never ceases to amaze me that you know, you walk down to the Ellington on a Tuesday night and you see a world class jazz act and you go. This could be on the streets of New York, this could be anywhere in the world, but it's right here in Perth, the most isolated place on the planet. And it's hard because these artists could be anywhere, but they're playing here and to get that appreciation for what they're doing is difficult. 
 
03:51
And in a time when people's lives are so fragmented with the endless amount of entertainment, there are functions on Netflix which are just play something. I don't even want to know what it is, just play something. And when you're competing against so many different streaming services and different mediums, it's really hard to get people to focus on local art sometimes, and people just need to be reminded that this stuff is world class and you can see it any time of the week. And I will go to my deathbed pushing the same message. That's one thing they teach you in PR Find a message and stick to it and that’s what I’ve stuck to. 
 
04:31 - Alexis (Host)
What a message it is. So my first question and you might have multiple answers, but what does a creative space mean to you and why? 
 
04:41 - Blake (Guest)
Creative space. I think, yeah, it's going to be a fragmented answer because I think about sort of what I do and every, every avenue I would have, whether it's this radio studio or a tv studio or something on stage. I mean, they're all in different spaces and they're all completely different and require a different approach, have a different outcome, have a different approach, have a different outcome, have a different budget, have a different set of client expectations. And I think for me, what I've learned over the years is to take my creativity with me wherever I need to be. So this, for example so we're in a radio studio. 
 
05:19
When we're on air, I might have 15 seconds to make a creative break or a creative hook, or jump in between two songs and do something creative for 15 seconds. That's a very different task than being on stage for 45 minutes and creating a 45-minute creative set. So every location has a different set of parameters. I would love to have a creative space in terms of a creative share space office for the company, which is part of our plan in the future. But I think I've discovered over the years that I need to be able to get into my creative spot quickly, no matter where it might be, because sometimes it can be a really boring place. You could be in a pitch, in a whiteboard room with people who are not creative and you need to bring that and you need to show them why they should believe in your vision or hand over a lot of money or whatever the case is, or trust their brand with your crazy idea, and so inspiring people in different circumstances has become a skill set that I've developed over the years, simply because you're given so many different rooms to work in and you need to make it work, no matter where you are. 
 
06:30 - Alexis (Host)
Was there anything that sort of helped you, sort of ground yourself? Was there any tools or anything that you used to help you find that? 
 
06:40 - Blake (Guest)
I think if I kind of work backwards from things. So if I need, let's talk about, say, a creative pitch because we're doing a lot of that in our company, Williams Creative, at the moment where a client will go, we've got a certain amount of money and we want the end result to be a seven minute performance and hitting all of these different markers Go away and come up with a pitch. And sometimes these things are so ambiguous and you spend so much time with just a word. They go okay, base it around the word whatever, and so you come up with three or four different ideas and you then take those ideas into a room and you present those ideas. And I think working backwards and re-inspiring myself when I'm in the pitch moment is really important, because sometimes you'll do all of the creative work months before you do a pitch and then you walk into the pitch room and you're quite disconnected from that project now because you did it. 
 
07:35
So long ago and so we're having this really long lead time. So for me to get myself back into that moment, I would just spend an hour and go through the end result that I want it to be and then back to my processes and how I came to decisions on things and why we should use that color or why that song works, or we're changing this song into this key. We're taking it a major, we're making it into a minor and there's a reason behind it and just getting myself reacquainted and getting myself excited for what I want it to be and hopefully that then it comes down to the communication in the room. Can you sell it? And having different, I think, people. 
 
08:13
Another thing is people in that kind of space. They're often not creatives, the people you're selling these things to, so you can't go in with a lot of words. You need to go with different media. So we'll have a video or imagery or mood boards or sound samples so that one of these things might hit a nerve. Yeah, having different ways to approach the same thing is important from a sales point of view, but, yeah, just being able to jump in and feel excited about your ideas. 
 
08:42 - Alexis (Host)
I love this. It's such a frame of mind for you to go into each of these spaces. 
 
08:48 - Blake (Guest)
I think a frame of mind is a good way to frame it, because Pun intended, pun intended. 
 
08:53
Puns always intended. Because I think you know being a creative means you need to be adaptable and you're not always going to be able to do exactly what you want all of the time. Sometimes you will have a creative project that is yours and you can do whatever you want to, but often, in the world of budgets and having companies and making enough money to pay payroll, which is what we have to do in our company you need to work within parameters that are set for you, and so being able to go in clearly, consciously, and create an idea and run with an idea and jump into that moment is really important. 
 
09:34 - Alexis (Host)
Amazing, amazing. Your lifespan of creative ventures is huge, but is there one thing in particular that you can pinpoint that you're most proud of creating, and how did that come about? 
 
09:49 - Blake (Guest)
I'm really proud of the company we've created around being creative. I mean, the company is called Williams Creative it's right there in the title and I think I've worked in a range of different situations where I haven't enjoyed the people I've had to work with, and that happens every now and then. You might have a project and it's really hard, or you feel like your back's up against the wall and ideas aren't landing, or, whatever the case is, when we started this company two years ago, we really had the opportunity to build it from the ground up in the way that I wanted it to be and the people I wanted to involve round up in the way that I wanted it to be and the people I wanted to involve. And I think now we're at this beautiful point where we have amazing talented people around us, which is one thing, but also people I want to work with and want to work with people again and again because they're good people, and I wish there had been an opportunity for me many years ago to be in something like that, because I think I have always not every project, but a majority of projects I've worked on in my life. 
 
10:51
I've started so I wanted a TV show. No one would give me the opportunity, so I started it myself. I wanted a radio show. No one would. I did it myself. I've simply been in that mode for so long because I haven't. You know, it's not that I'm difficult to work with. I think the opposite, to be honest. But there's you need to back yourself sometimes and do things the way that you see them playing out, and I'm really proud of the way that we've created the company now that we have these great people around us and it's facilitated some really amazing projects. 
 
11:27 - Alexis (Host)
Well said. On the flip side of things that you're proud of, I'm intrigued what you can share about something that's challenged your creativity, and what do you reckon the major lesson of that was? 
 
11:43 - Blake (Guest)
Yeah, okay. So I think live performance often goes awry. I mean there are things, there are processes I've put in place over the years to negate things going wrong as best I can. Things always do go wrong, but it's trying to limit that or at least have plans again to prepare for things to go wrong. But I think, from a challenging creative point of view, sometimes the big concept pieces can be really hard to finalize a concept for. 
 
12:16
So there was one actually, particularly a few years ago, where we had been approached by a company to do a big opening performance for them. So two performances actually on this one night. The brief I was given was one word. I had a one word brief, one word that I had to make everything connect to, and they'd given me a fairly good budget to do it. And I nothing, nothing came like, just nothing at all, and I would spend. I'd go okay, today's the day, I'm going to finalize a basic concept today. Nothing would happen. I would spend an hour on it, I'd spend two hours on it. I would try the technique of like I'm going to think about it when I go to sleep. When I wake up, there's going to be an idea there. Nothing would happen. 
 
12:55
And I was about a week away from having to do this pitch and I had zero, just not even an inkling about what I was going to do. And then it starts to build and you get, you feel pressure, and you feel stress, like what if I actually can't think of anything? What if this concept is, or this word that I need to bring everything back to is just too esoteric and I can't make something for it? And so I said to my wife, I said to Lisa we need to go away, we need to need to get, I need to, I need a change of scenery, I need to get out of the studio, I need to get out of work, I need to get out of Perth. 
 
13:25 - Alexis (Host)
Something's got to change. 
 
13:28 - Blake (Guest)
I need a fresh perspective. So we went down south and the word that I needed to bring everything back to was the word flourish. And we went and stayed in this little cottage in Boronup Forest and in Margaret River and I walked out in the morning and I walked through these trees that were scorched. There'd been a bushfire that had come through and little pops of green were coming through these trees and I sat there for ages and I was like, wait a minute, a little tiny spark of an idea. And from there we sat down, we had a couple of bottles of wine, we went through a bunch of different ideas based on the surroundings that we were in, and eventually, by the time we got home and we drove home thinking about ideas, we got home, put a concept together and it's probably one of the best I think we've ever come up with, but only because I think sometimes you need to force yourself into a different perspective. If things aren't working, that's okay, Pause it. You don't have to solve all of those problems right now. Get up, go to a different spot, go to a different place, try a different technique, a different angle spot. Go to a different place. Try a different technique, a different angle. You know, try something different that you haven't done. 
 
14:30
So for me, on that particular situation, I needed to be geographically removed from where I was and I actually brought this up when I did the pitch. I said I couldn't think of anything and I did this. I went to this other place and then this idea came and someone in the meeting said yeah, but that idea only came to you because you were willing to accept an idea. It's not. If you had been down there all the time would you have seen what was there? 
 
14:54
And I thought it's really interesting how being in a different headspace and being somewhere physically different can bring up different creative ideas. And then it's recognizing that that is an idea and then running with it. And I remember thinking there was like a little tiny spark light bulb moment that went off and went wait a minute, what about this? And that was the start of the entire performance that we ended up putting together, which had about 40 creatives in it on stage, so a big piece that we ended up putting together. So, yeah, it's amazing where that inspiration can hit, but you have to be open and willing to change things up and be flexible. 
 
15:31 - Alexis (Host)
And I do think it's like you know, one of the parts of being a creative is being able to apply yourself and spend the time and be, you know, present in that space to lock yourself away. But we all still need to live a life and otherwise like you said you're not open to being inspired by anything outside. 
 
15:51 - Blake (Guest)
Yeah, it's, I don't. When you find out how to do that, let me know. 
 
15:56 - Alexis (Host)
Oh, I don't know about that. Oh, my goodness. 
 
15:59 - Blake (Guest)
I, we the uh being separating creativity, or separating this kind of work from normal life is incredibly hard, and I don't know anyone that nails it. To be honest, I don't know how you can switch it off and switch it back on. It seeps into every part of your life, but it's hard. It's really hard, especially what I find when we're in pitch mode and everything is to do with a show you're putting together and it doesn't have to be a creative pitch like this, it could be a theatre show. You know, I think it's really natural to get all consumed by these things that you put together, because they are intrinsic to who you are, and, at the end of the day, you're going to be on stage and you need to deliver it, and so you need to live it, eat it and breathe it. That's an important part of it, right? 
 
16:48 - Alexis (Host)
Oh, so true. Now, do you have something sentimental, or is there possibly an object that you can't live without while you're coming up with creative things or working? And what might that be, and why? 
 
17:06 - Blake (Guest)
No, I don't think there is. To be honest, I think again because the creative jobs that I have take me to completely different places with different parameters. There's not something that I come back to again and again. I think if I was doing and I've been religious about these sorts of things before Like, if I was doing a lot of writing when I was younger, when I was at high school, I remember the first thing I did was it was drama and we would write short stories or plays or skits or whatever the case was, and that's what I loved. 
 
17:40
I loved, you know, Monty Python and Fawlty Towers and these sort of, you know, skit-based comedy things. Yes, you know, you'd start an idea and sometimes it would be shit and sometimes it might be half okay, but there was definitely a process in that and we would write every one in the same like journal. It was part of the religiousness of doing something like that and creating something. So if I was doing one thing, I think I would have things that I would go back to, but because in a day I might work on five different projects in five different locations with five different people, there's nothing that I bring myself to. 
 
18:13 - Alexis (Host)
Don't have any lucky socks. I don't. 
 
18:15 - Blake (Guest)
And, to be honest, it's the lucky socks that's been the secret to my success, my Coles $2.50 lucky socks. But I think I actually I purposefully change up my schedule and I don't like to get stuck in the same way of doing things. I like to change the way that I do things, quite often to the point where it can frustrate other people. In theatre, in the theatre world everyone they call it tracks in theatre. So your character track and you leave your green room at a certain point. You go to a certain point on stage. You never change your track. So everyone knows for the backstage choreography. 
 
18:54 - Alexis (Host)
They know exactly where you're going to be at what time. 100% Perfect. 
 
18:57 - Blake (Guest)
When we were doing We Will Rock You at Crown, I would change where I would start not on stage, but I would go to my dressing room at a different time. I would get my mic at a different time. I'd get my makeup at a different time. I never liked to be in the same process. I would change it up every single show. So I never felt comfortable. I never felt complacent and I think that's a big thing for the way I like to operate. I like to be on the edge all the time. It's not good for anxiety and it's not good for trying to sleep after gigs. That's just the way it works. It's just the way it works. I know it's not good. Don't use that advice. 
 
19:35 - Alexis (Host)
What did I say? Do as I say, not as I do. That's right. 
 
19:37 - Blake (Guest)
Yeah, these are all the mistakes I've made. 
 
19:42 - Alexis (Host)
Well, that is a great segue into my next question. 
 
19:46 - Blake (Guest)
What other mistakes have you made? Top 10 bad things to do. 
 
19:52 - Alexis (Host)
If you could give one piece of advice, one nugget of gold to another creative, what would it be? 
 
20:00 - Blake (Guest)
I think sometimes the most simple things are what I always come back to. I think with creativity there's two things. One, don't aim for perfect, especially with creative projects. If you aim to be perfect, you are going to find a million reasons to stop something because it simply isn't there. And John Cleese said this a million times. He was like it's the death of creativity, trying to be perfect. 
 
20:26
I think just go with an idea and just see where it takes you and at the end of the day, like, have fun with it. Creativity is a. You know there are times when things are serious and you know, depending on what you're trying to do and the art piece you're trying to make and sure, on those times you know, sure, be respectful and be mindful. But I think for a lot of the time we can get so carried away with needing to get to a deadline or what a client expectation, or how are we going to make this work in a budget and it's all this pressurized situation. But sometimes just have fun. 
 
21:00
Just most of the best ideas I think I've ever had have been stupid. And then you bring them back from a crazy point like start at 11 and you might end up at a 7, which is probably where it should be. So, yeah, just don't, don't take it too seriously all the time. And the other thing for me is and we kind of mentioned this earlier do the work, and the work will take care of itself, like I it's. It is saved me hundreds of times in shows and in whole range of different types of shows, so not just at a band gig or an MC thing or you know, live on air or whatever the case is Like. If it saved me constantly, if I prepare to, if I prepare knowing that something is going to fail when it does invariably fail and it will, you've got a backup plan and you don't have to freak out in that moment in front of you know however many people are watching. So they're my little nuggets of advice. 
 
21:54 - Alexis (Host)
Oh my God, they're such good ones. If someone wanted to develop their creative process, yes, like, do what you do in all of the. 
 
22:08 - Blake (Guest)
I'm too far down this path now to turn around. You're like I can't change it now. I can't. 
 
22:17 - Alexis (Host)
Is there any resources that you would recommend? 
 
22:22 - Blake (Guest)
You know, I think sometimes the best place to start or not to start, do some investigation and some research first but is to go to the people that you really admire the work of and ask them questions. People are a lot more willing to give time than I think people think. People go these guys, these ladies. There's so much work, they've got so much on their calendar, they couldn't give me 10 minutes and I guarantee well, maybe not guarante. 
 
22:47 - Alexis (Host)
Can I have that in writing?  
 
22:50 - Blake (Guest)
Sure, sure, I think invariably, people are happy to discuss and help people out and answer questions, as long as I think this is what the person asking the question needs to be. They need to be organized, need to be punctual, they need to do all of that stuff so that you are using the least amount of time possible. And I'm happy to answer questions from people who go, hey, how did you do this, or how did this work, or where would you recommend I start on this particular thing, because it's really hard and I've been lucky in things that I've done but it's come with a lot of hard work to get places and a lot of people to convince of things, and there's gatekeepers at every part of every industry and you continually need to work around them. And you know, I'm a male 40-year-old guy and it's been hard for me and there's a lot of advantage to being a male 40-year-old guy, so it's hard for everybody to get where they want to go. 
 
23:43
But there are people out there that are absolutely willing to answer questions and to help people, because for me, at the end of the day, I want an arts industry, a media industry, a music industry to be the best possible version of itself that it can be, and the only way to get to that spot is to be a bit more open with answering questions and helping people up. I really don't get this whole. Well, I did the hard yards, you do the hard yards, I mean. Yes, we all have done hard yards and they're intrinsic to being a great artist. I think you know you need to do the shit gigs, you need to have the rejections. They're a really important part of the process, but to a degree, you know, at some point you also need to help people up. 
 
24:23 - Alexis (Host)
But being authentic and being open to your community to share knowledge is not giving things on a silver platter for someone else. 
 
24:31 - Blake (Guest)
That's very true
 
24:33 - Alexis (Host)
It's purely just. You know, if people want to have knowledge, eat it up and run with it. Like you said, there are people there that if you are willing to ask, they're willing to deliver 
 
24:38 - Blake (Guest)
Yeah, that's right. 100% and you know, yes, the failures are a really important part of any process in any industry, and I think, especially in performance, because at the end of the day, you will be on stage and you will have to deliver. And if you can't, and you're not ready, or whatever the case is, then you will fail and it will hurt and you may not want to get back up again. That's why you don't aim for the stars straight away. You build yourself incrementally. So you've got these little scars and they'll be okay. You'll be okay when you get knocked down. 
 
25:17
But, yeah, asking questions and getting more information and having a bit more knowledge about why you're choosing things and how to get to a destination is really important. There's absolutely no roadmap for this industry. I don't really know anyone who is doing what I'm doing, but there are people out there. But I would love to have conversations with other creatives, kind of like what you are doing, and ask how did you get there, or how did this work, or why did that fail, or why did this succeed? What specifically about it worked so well or didn't work well? And it's possibly a conversation that you know, maybe through a podcast like this, people are more willing to talk about things, but it's just have a conversation. Yeah, people are happy to answer questions, mostly. 
 
26:05 - Alexis (Host)
One extra question for you. 
 
26:06 - Blake (Guest)
Okay, sure. 
 
26:08 - Alexis (Host)
If you could hear anyone come on this podcast and answer these questions, who would it be and why?
 
26:14 - Blake (Guest)
Who would it be? So I was having a look at the people that you've had on here and it's great. So they cover a variety of different disciplines, and I think I would like to see someone from a theatre background. Have you had a theatre director? 
 
26:35 - Alexis (Host)
No, I have not yet. 
 
26:36 - Blake (Guest)
I would like to see someone in that world. Because I think, like theatre is the culmination of so many disciplines. You know you've got acting, you know dancing, music, musicality, but also all of the other things stage design and direction and budgeting and tour planning and it kind of is like I see it, as if you can make a theatre show work with 100 moving parts 35 times a month. You've kind of got some stuff figured out and there's a lot of people that do a really good job in that space. So I'd like to see some theatre directors, I think. 
 
27:12 - Alexis (Host)
Oh my goodness, Blake, thank you so much for coming on Through the Creative Door. This has been just a dream. 
 
27:18 - Blake (Guest)
Thank you so much for having me and thanks for coming down to the studio. I didn't have to go anywhere. 
 
27:23 - Alexis (Host)
I love it. 
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23 | Following Your Own Beat with Katanga Junior

In this episode of Through the Creative Door, host Alexis speaks with Katanga Junior, a Tanzanian-born musician whose work spans hip-hop, ragga, reggae, and indie folk. Known for his genre-blending style and creative flair, Junior shares what it means to him to create freely across styles, the inspirations behind his latest album Pamoja, and the challenges and rewards of collaborating with diverse artists. This episode dives into Junior’s journey, his passion for connecting with audiences, and the perseverance that shaped his most memorable works. It’s an inspiring look at the artistry and dedication that fuels his vibrant sound. 
If you’d like to see more, you can follow Katanga Junior on instagram; @ katangajnrmusic
 
This episode was recorded on 8 August 2024 on the lands of the Arrernte Peoples. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being.
Thanks for listening, catch you on the next episode.
Psst! We are always on the lookout for creative people to share their story and inspire others. Have you got someone in mind who would love to have a chat? Get in contact with us via Instagram @throughthecreativedoor
 
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Creative resources from Katanga Junior:
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Created and Hosted by Alexis Naylor
Music by Alexis Naylor & Ruby Miguel
Edited and Produced by Ruby Miguel
 
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00:09 - Alexis (Host)
Hello, my name is Alexis Naylor and I am your host here at Through the Creative Door. On behalf of myself and my guests, I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. Owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. May we pay our respects to all First Nations people and acknowledge Elders, past and present. On this podcast, I'll be chatting to an array of creative guests, getting a glimpse into their worlds and having some honest and inspiring conversations along the way. I'm delighted to welcome you to Through the Creative Door. 
Junior. Oh my goodness, this is so bloody exciting. I'm so excited to be chatting with you. You are such a goddamn vibe. Welcome to Through the Creative Door. 
 
01:04 - Junior (Guest)
Madam already here, thank you. Thank you for having me. I know your life is bad, good, good, good. 
 
01:14 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, it's so good. So for the listeners that don't know you, they need to 100% get amongst it and listen to all your tunes because you are just a goddamn vibe. But the synopsis of Katanga Junior, you're Tanzania born and bred now established here in Alice Springs, but you are a multi-talented bear. You play drums, you rap, you sing. You sing so many different genres. You have this beautiful band of phenomenal humans who, just in their own right, are just amazing. 
 
01:55 - Junior (Guest)
Good people, yeah, good people. 
 
01:57 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't know. You just do amazing stuff. Everyone needs to check you out. 
 
02:04 - Junior (Guest)
They should. 
 
02:08 - Alexis (Host)
But, to start things off. We're going to start off with what does a creative space mean to you and why? 
 
02:18 - Junior (Guest)
Creative space. It's like where I create things, where, like peaceful, it's connected to me, I feel free to do whatever I want to do. Like that is creative space to me. It feel like no boundaries, you know, like when you get like just creating things and feel free to do anything. That's like a creative space for me. 
 
02:41 - Alexis (Host)
Do you feel like that needs to be a peaceful physical space, or is it more of a mental space for you? Do you think? 
 
02:51 - Junior (Guest)
I think it needs to be a peaceful place, because when I create, I like to be me, yeah, yeah. And after then it can be physical, you know, but for when I created, I like to feel and to be connected to what I'm doing yeah, yeah, yeah. 
 
03:09 - Alexis (Host)
And is is it like, do you need to have instruments around you or do you feel like you can just like? Create from thin air. 
 
03:20 - Junior (Guest)
It depends, so I always have my guitar whenever I'm writing songs, because I feel like sometimes I sing song, but I feel better when I have the guitar because it's shaped me in tune, because I feel my vocal is not on tune till I hear instrument, because when someone like tell me sing, now I can sing. 
 
03:40 - Alexis (Host)
Really no, no, I don't believe that at all, I never tell anyone. Guys don't say anything. 
 
03:50 - Junior (Guest)
Yeah, yeah. So it's like I need guitar or beat. 
 
03:58 - Alexis (Host)
Ah, okay. 
 
03:59 - Junior (Guest)
So that's where I feel like I need this and this, and then that's, and then maybe pen and paper, and then score done. But most of it is guitar. If I don't have guitar, I have to have beat. And then I can write, 
 
04:13 - Alexis (Host)
Bcause I know you play drums, yeah, yeah. Do you sing while you play drums? Or do you have to lay it down? 
 
04:19 - Junior (Guest)
Yeah, I kind of sing while I'm'm playing, but I never share it on stage. So my dream was like this year. I said maybe I should start playing drums to a couple songs. 
 
04:32 - Alexis (Host)
Yes, you should. Oh my god that'd be amazing. 
 
04:36 - Junior (Guest)
I did like a couple few weeks ago. I had to open the mic and everyone like said, oh, I never see you do this. I said, oh, I don't know. 
 
04:43 - Alexis (Host)
Oh but you're so good at it. 
 
04:45 - Junior (Guest)
Yeah, no, no, try not good at it. 
 
04:52 - Alexis (Host)
So modest, so bloody modest. 
 
04:55 - Junior (Guest)
Yeah, yeah. 
 
04:57 - Alexis (Host)
Now you have released some phenomenal music and it's so goddamn catchy, Junior, seriously so catchy, yeah. But for you personally, is there a body of work or a piece of work that you are the most proud of, and why do you think that is and how did it come about? 
 
05:19 - Junior (Guest)
Maybe I'll say two. Maybe the first song that established me, like Mapanzi Business is, like that's my main song. I always remember it's the song that take me, made me who I am till today. Because for what I'm singing the song to the story and everything to the song then it make people connected to the song before even know me and before even see me. Yeah, so to that Mapanzi Business song. And another one is Pamoja. Album is the things that I'm proud of. Like I, when I'm rapping in Alice Springs, I see, like so many talented people and art creativity. So everywhere I go and I love open mics because that's where I find people which I can collab with, I can jam on stage with and I can collab with, I can jam on stage with and I can just so when I rap in Alice Springs and I just keep with oh there's this guy, oh there's this, oh there's another one, oh there's another singer there.
 
06:13 - Alexis (Host)
I feel like we met at Jumping Jam. Yeah, yeah, yeah, years ago. 
 
06:17 - Junior (Guest)
Yeah, it is, it is and Pamoja album is something that I'm really grateful and I'm happy with that, because just collabing with so many artists in Alice Springs and I feel like even if I'm gone, that's my main thing I'm proud of, like collabing with so many people in one album.
 
06:40 - Alexis (Host)
It's a beautiful record. Those listening get amongst it. It's absolutely stunning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah oh wonderful. On the flip side of things that we're proud of, or things that you're proud of, is there something over your career that has challenged your creativity? At all like and and do you think there's a major lesson that you've sort of been able to find from that?
 
07:11 - Junior (Guest)
Challenge. Oh yeah, maybe I said don't collaborate with so many people, you are rejected. 
 
07:19 - Alexis (Host)
The flip side of yeah, yeah, yeah. 
 
07:22 - Junior (Guest)
It's like, sit down on, talk to this person because I want to work with them, because when I work, it's like I've got the producer even as tell them like this is what I want to do and this and that, and even they didn't trust me for that project to work because it depends so many people in one project, like in one album, like I want a future, this guy, this, them, them, them a future because she's beautiful and she sings good, and this, this, and they're like too many people in one project. I think maybe it was the main challenge. I had to like take people out and bring them in, but I want to hear them, I want to sit down with them, I want to hear their vocal and I want because there's some people already locked in, but their vocal and one because there's some people already locked in. But it's like even the last day I had to give them the dead time and it's kind of like we got one hour before finishing. All of the people came that last day because I'd say, hey, today's the last day, please can you anyone who's coming? If you're not coming today, you're getting replaced by someone else. 
 
08:23
And the last hour we got a gig of hat day we playing for Desert Festival I think, and I got like a few minutes before I got to sound check and I got like four people so I didn't have even enough time to listen. And just sing, sing, sing and walk out. Another one come prepared, sing, sing, sing, walk out and walk out. And then we all me and the producer we were playing that same day, I think, yeah, and we had to walk out. I said we'll listen tomorrow and luckily, come the next day, everything's out. So that's the main thing, like I think maybe don't feel just too many artists in one project and then maybe that's my advice Otherwise. But now I'm really happy for what it is because I really like everyone, diversity to the music and everything. 
 
09:05 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, do you think that a part of that challenge of having to work with so many competing calendars? And timelines and things like that, like do you think that that made you have to compromise your art at all, or were you able to still? It was more stressful, but were you still able to? 
 
09:24 - Junior (Guest)
Well, still nothing changed. So I think there's only one song. The other guys then pulled themselves out and I said I'll sing this one song, and I sing the song by myself, and the song won awards. 
 
09:35
This is the best song of the year. So maybe it was meant to be that. And I never regret. So nothing changed, even if some days I know someone is coming but they're not coming. But I'm with the producer, I tell them okay, if they're not coming, I'll do this, this, this, this, this, this. So we never waste time, so I know what the picture I'm going to paint. So it's like, even if they're not here, so I'll fix this, I'll fix that, I'll play another song, I'll do BV, I'll do this, I'll do this, I'll do this. So it's like, if you know what you're doing, you just leave that spot. Anyone can come and fill that gap, so you just do what you can do to finish the art, because it's your own picture. So you're drawing your own thing, yeah, and you're trying at the end of the day. 
 
10:30 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, like what is the dream. 
 
10:30 - Junior (Guest)
What is your vision for the project and making sure that that actually comes to fruition? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is and it's really it's. It's hard, but you end up like adding more hours with producer because some songs you already plan. This song is coming out next time, like next week, so if we don't finish today, it's like push, everything push everyone, because everyone is waiting, already pay the produce. They're mastering guys and this and this the mixing guys, so it's like you have to go, still focus on what you're doing. You know. 
 
10:59 - Alexis (Host)
So I know we touched on a little bit about at the start. When we talked about creative space, we also talked about the instruments and things that you know you like having around you. But when we talk about objects, do you have anything like sentimental or anything in particular that you sort of like having with you when you're creating? 
 
11:21 - Junior (Guest)
Oh, I don't know, I think maybe pen and paper. Let's just say that that's the main. I'm still like, got so many books, like journals, yeah, journals like this I write everywhere because even if I'm at work or doing the meetings, sometimes because it gets boring. 
 
11:39 - Alexis (Host)
Adulting. 
 
11:43 - Junior (Guest)
Or PD something for work. I'm also have another job to cover everything up. So it's like I'll PD there and you feel like the way this going it's too much, so right here. And so it's come challenge me. One day I said I want that something. I write that day. So I just go through 20 books, I'm just looking for one thing and I open, and I open until I find it. 
 
12:05 - Alexis (Host)
Do you date them or like nah, you just write them and then get another one, nah. 
 
12:11 - Junior (Guest)
I don't. Because I write. I used to challenge myself sometimes I write every day. So even if I write dates, it's like I write everywhere. 
 
12:22 - Alexis (Host)
I love this. I love that challenge. I don't know if I could do it yeah I, I think I could do it for maybe a week and then yeah, yeah, yeah, it is sometimes like I just follow my brain telling me to do so, that's all. 
 
12:35 - Junior (Guest)
When I'm creating things, I don't create what people want me to create, so I create what I want. So it's like this week I'll say like, okay, what am I doing? It's like learn this and this and this and follow it, and I don't limit myself like only do this way or this way, this way, try so many different way, and which way to work? So, yeah, yeah, most. Let's go back to the question. So I use pen and paper the most. Yeah, and they're everywhere yeah, I
 
12:57 - Alexis (Host)
I love this Now, junior, if you could give one piece of wisdom, one nugget of advice to another creative, what would it be? 
 
13:12 - Junior (Guest)
Just do your best and don't limit yourself like you. Some people I see they limit themselves. They just kind of like go in one way so you can just try so many different things and see how it work and so many way. There's so many way of making things, of learning things and creative way. But do what you want to do. Whatever you want to do, just try and go with it and see at the end the result and if it's not working, just stop for a bit and go back again and look at it and see how it feels, how it sounds, where it's going. And yeah, not big advice, but do what you can do to do your art and don't limit yourself of what you can do. 
 
13:54 - Alexis (Host)
Oh, that is perfect. That is perfect, it's so true. It's so true. If someone wanted to do what you do, it's so true. Yeah, if someone wanted to do what you do, what advice would you give in regards to like resources or books or podcasts or courses or like? Is there anything that you have found for your music business or you as a creative in your artistic you know development? Yeah creative in your artistic, you know development. Yeah, is there anything that you've sort of? Lyou know you'd advise would be a good starting point for somebody else.
 
14:32 - Junior (Guest)
I just say, like it doesn't matter what you're doing, just be good at what you're doing, just practice and practice. And even because, and know what you're doing, be good at what you're doing, just practice and practice. And even because, and know what you're doing, be good at it and know what you're doing and know what you want at the end of it, like it doesn't mean that I know what I want. 
 
14:56
Sometimes things change. It's like just don't look at other people what they're doing, just look yourself what you want to do. It's like many people are going to compete with other people and many people like think, oh, I want to be like this guy, I want to do like this, I want to do so you end up follow people what they're doing. You end up forget what you're doing and like you have to know what you want and what you want to do at that time. So don't look at other people what they're doing, just look at yourself, what you want to do and how you're going to do it and be good at it, because at the end of the day, they'll look at you if you're doing good and they'll come to join you. 
 
15:35 - Alexis (Host)
Very true, very true. One last question. If you could have any other creative come on this podcast and answer these questions, who would it be and why? 
 
15:49 - Junior (Guest)
I'd say maybe you have to interview Billy Black. 
 
15:52 - Alexis (Host)
So for those listening, Billy Black is a phenomenal guitarist here, based in Alice and plays with Junior, plays with lots of people. 
 
16:02 - Junior (Guest)
Yeah, yeah. 
 
16:03 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah. 
 
16:09 - Junior (Guest)
I think he shaped me a little bit because I believe in learning and work with the people who have the same ideas and what we want to do here. So he always say, okay, you have to know your things, and so he helped me so much to know more. It's not just like be there and just be there and go deep to it and Always so you always. I think we kind of think the same. But not he always say like oh, you did this well, today, because I was thinking about this, I say like once, everything is fine. We can all go the same way, like if I can feel the music, I can feel we can all go the same way. Like if I can feel the music, I can feel everything. We can all go the same way. So I feel like Billy Black is the right person to interview next, because he knows so many people, he travels so many places around Australia. World of experience and the world and so many things, so it will be good to connect with him, yeah
 
17:05 - Alexis (Host)
Oh my goodness, Junior, it is just such a pleasure chatting with you. Thank you so much for coming through the creative door. This has been the best! 
 
17:15 - Junior (Guest)
Thank you for having me. 
 
17:21 - Alexis (Host)
 
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22 | Follow The Knowledge with Darcy Davis

In this episode of Through the Creative Door, Alexis sits down with multi-talented music producer, pianist, DJ, studio owner and fellow podcast host of “Music My Mates Make”, Darcy Davis, also known as D-Day. The two dive deep into the creative process, from Darcy’s journey building his own recording studio in Alice Springs, to his passion for creating music in unconventional spaces. Darcy shares an inspiring story about stepping up to lead a family legacy project, recording an album in Pidginjarra language, and the pride he feels for preserving Indigenous culture through music. Join Alexis and Darcy for an honest conversation about creative flow, overcoming self-doubt and how pushing through challenges can bring out your best work.
If you’d like to see more, you can follow Darcy on instagram; @ darcydavis
 
This episode was recorded on 5 August 2024 on the lands of the Arrernte Peoples. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being.
Thanks for listening, catch you on the next episode.
Psst! We are always on the lookout for creative people to share their story and inspire others. Have you got someone in mind who would love to have a chat? Get in contact with us via Instagram @throughthecreativedoor
 
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Creative resources from Darcy:
UPK7 Album: https://open.spotify.com/album/6YGdxqYMOLcU2z4ha7FJZT?si=qO5vRNwJSLum1zZ6mtGwxQ 
 
BOOKS:
Mastery by Robert Greene 
The Creative Act: A Way Of Being by Rick Rubin 
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CREDITS
Created and Hosted by Alexis Naylor
Music by Alexis Naylor & Ruby Miguel
Edited and Produced by Ruby Miguel
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00:09 - Alexis (Host)
Hello, my name is Alexis Naylor and I am your host here at Through the Creative Door. On behalf of myself and my guests, I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. Owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. May we pay our respects to all First Nations people and acknowledge Elders, past and present. On this podcast, I'll be chatting to an array of creative guests, getting a glimpse into their worlds and having some honest and inspiring conversations along the way. I'm delighted to welcome you to Through the Creative Door. 
 
Hello, darcy. 
 
00:50 - Darcy (Guest)
How are you, alexis? 
 
00:52 - Alexis (Host) 
Good, how are you? 
 
00:53 
Yeah, really good. Thanks for having me on your show. 
 
00:55 - Alexis (Host)
I am so chuffed that I get to welcome you through the Creative Door podcast. 
 
01:02 - Darcy (Guest)
It feels good to step right through that door. I just felt like a different feeling sensation good to step right through that door together. 
 
01:04 - Alexis (Host)
Well, I'm actually very grateful that I get to be in your creative space in uh, but we will talk about that more as we get through the podcast. I feel like I need to enlighten the listeners a little bit. A bit about you. For some they may know you as Darcy, but aka D-Day, D-Day. 
 
01:31 - Darcy (Guest)
D-Davis. Yeah, kind of stuck around that nickname. 
 
01:36 - Alexis (Host)
But you are such a talented bear. Such a talented bear. You're a music producer. You're a phenomenal piano player, or pianist correct terminology You're an MC, you DJ so much I mean. You've also been radio hosts in many different iterations. You've been in so many different ensembles and, if I couldn't add any more to the rap sheet, you also have a beautiful studio called Red House recording studio here in Alice Springs where you get to, you know, be creative in all of the ways and you also have your own podcast which is awesome. 
 
02:19 - Darcy (Guest)
You were my first guest on my first podcast and now you've just eclipsed me altogether. 
 
02:24 - Alexis (Host)
Oh, stop it. You're inspiring me, thank you, but your podcast is Music My Mates Make, which is so inspiring and just fills my cup every time I get to listen, which is such a pleasure. 
 
02:36 - Darcy (Guest)
You were my first guest, so you really got it rolling. In fact, I've conked out a little bit and you're just like a powerhouse just striving through, so you're inspiring me. How are you doing this? How are you doing that? They're kind of like waves, aren't they like? They come in and out and one person comes in surfing this wave and then they might like get dumped into the ocean and the next person catches a wave. And yeah, hopefully we check in with each other and inspire each other. So I'm feeling super motivated now after seeing you again. 
 
03:08 - Alexis (Host)
Excellent, excellent. That's what we want to hear. 
 
03:10 - Darcy (Guest)
Yeah, I love it. 
 
03:12 - Alexis (Host)
Going to launch into the first question. Okay, let's launch. I feel like this is a difficult one because you have such a broad spectrum of avenues of creating. But what does a creative space mean to you, and why? 
 
03:31 - Darcy (Guest)
Creative space is just anywhere that you can kind of intentionally set out to do your thing. It's a safe space. It's usually quiet for me, or somewhere that's not. I don't have all the regular distractions from life like people trying to get a hold of you to do something, or, you know social media or somewhere that you can kind of just block out and go into that space. 
 
03:59
Hopefully, when you hit the flow, the flow state, when you stop thinking about time you enter, you go through the creative door, metaphorically speaking, and for me it's like it's not always that the inspiration is going to be there, but you sort of start moving the proverbial paint around the canvas and then little things start to take shape and I think, yeah, I, I like to, usually like to do something, like have a vacuum up or just clear the space a little bit and then know that I'm entering in like intentionally into creating something. 
 
04:38
It's not always there, like I believe a little bit in the muse, that the muse kind of might be that spirit which whispers the cool ideas into you when you're ready for it. So showing up and being ready for the muse to maybe hopefully gift you a good idea or not, or just showing up ready might be enough. You might not always catch an idea that day, but creative space is somewhere I go into intentionally to let the yeah, let creativity come through 
 
05:21 - Alexis (Host) 
And do you find that you like coming into studio space is more feasible in that way, or really just purposefully coming into a space? 
 
05:26
Well, yeah, obviously I love being in the studio in the Red House, the building my dad made, and when I was quite young and grew into being able to know how to use it and operate it professionally. But a creative space could be somewhere also that could be quite transient. Or you might be in the middle of a chaotic environment, for example, like on a plane. I like to throw on my headphones and crack open Ableton and just go into a creative space there. I like being in a moving space there or on. I like moving. I like being in a moving space, like on a train really, or somewhere like that, and being able to throw down just on that, um, on my laptop alone, without any other equipment. Sometimes I'm pretty good at playing the the keyboard on a computer. 
 
06:25 - Alexis (Host)
On a computer? Can you teach me how to do that. That's tough.
 
06:22
No, I kind of it's funny. Sometimes I'm in here and we have this big studio full of equipment and I'm like let me just play this down. They're like Darcy man, you know you have all of this stuff. I like to be resourceful. Whatever your space is, that's the best environment. But I do like, yeah, sometimes, being in a cafe or on a plane, some type of public transport, I feel like I have no other choice than to go into that and it kind of maybe accelerates me into that creative space. So I like to be able to be wherever and still tap into that. 
 
07:04 - Alexis (Host)
I love that. 
 
07:06 - Darcy (Guest)
If I'm making beats, obviously I can't lay down vocals like you. There's a different emphasis on what I'm creating to you, but I like making beats on public transport as well. 
 
07:18 - Alexis (Host)
I love this. I love this so much. I guess there's a great segue into the next question. 
 
07:24 - Darcy (Guest)
Nice, good segue. 
 
07:30 - Alexis (Host)
If you could choose something out of all the body of work that you've done, what is something that you're most proud of creating and why? 
 
07:42 - Darcy (Guest)
Well, I usually don't feel proud. I usually feel like I'm onto the next thing. In fact, like my whole lifetime has been trying to get accustomed to feeling okay with something that I have created and put out there and, yeah, where we're on worst critics all the time. 
 
08:09
So I feel like I've hit a point where I can tolerate hearing myself, let alone being really proud of things. But my own personal breakthrough was and it's, the thing that I'm most proud of achieving not necessarily the end result but the process that I went through. So I'll just talk a bit about that. Last year I was working on this UPK project, which is a project that started before I was even born, in 1989, out at Morijulu, which is the community of Uluru, Ayers Rock. They brought a 16-track tape machine out there and they made this Music for Health project, which ended up being a really popular record, especially on the AP wirelands where my parents have lived and worked as teachers since the 80s before coming to Alice, and so that project it's been through a bunch of different versions since then. Usually about every six years there's a new one, and so usually it's been my dad and I collaborating on it, in fact, on UPK6. 
 
09:30
I said to dad, like did you know that one day I was gonna be the one recording this project? He said yeah. I said what? So you sorta like engineered me to be the engineer of this project? He said yeah, of course, why else do you have children? He was just joking, but you know, last year dad was going through a lot of health problems and his heart got down to like 20% capacity. We were worried for his life, actually legitimately, because he was close he was close to meeting his maker and they almost cancelled the whole project. They said should we cancel it or do you think that you can go on without your dad, sort of thing, and knowing how much money and effort the organization had gone into the whole thing, I said you know what? I think I can do it and went out there and yeah, it was on top of setting up all the mics running between the rooms. So we create like a bush studio with heshen and we like build it off the side of like an old house and so building the studio and then setting up, and then usually the role that my dad would do would be because he's good at language at Pidginjarri, he speaks fluently he would be the one constructing the songs and I'd be kind of there to hit record or throw ideas in. But it wasn't all my responsibility. So this time it was like all right, you got to write the songs, you got to be there in a language that I wasn't that good at. But now, as a result of that, it was like a massive trial by fire and something that I was grateful that I could experience while my dad was still alive. It's sort of like experiencing like what it'd be like when he's gone to carry that on, but he was still hanging on for his life. So, yeah, I'm. 
 
11:21
I wrote my first song in Pidginjarra language, which is, I feel, proud of that as a white fella, that I have family out there coaching me, schooling me. And I said to one of my bros there, Dwayne. I said, oh, I might need to get a dictionary for Pidginjarra. He said, forget the dictionary, wear your dictionary, just ask us any, any questions. 
 
11:45
And it was this beautiful collaboration that happened and them knowing my dad in the whole story what they call the story of this project and then being able to rise above and still create an album, basically doing all of the roles and um now becoming kind of like a different person through that process of my language has gotten heaps better. 
 
12:15
I wrote another song. So I did two songs on the album that were collaborations, because obviously I can't write a whole song in language, but, um, come up with the concept and, yeah, the, the, the pride that I feel was that I persevered through that and I managed to do all of those roles in such a massive project and didn't drop the ball and dad survived and yeah, all of that was very, yeah, it was really tough, one of the most difficult things that I've been through, and so I just feel personal pride that, yeah, this like a legacy there that I can take forward and had breakthroughs with the Aboriginal language that I feel proud, as an Australian, that I can really delve deep into that language and I'm determined to become fluent. 
 
13:10
I speak Chinese, so I want to become fluent in Pidginjarra, like my dad. I can see it in my mind being able to interact and be fluent. It just feels like this massive achievement on the horizon which I'm going to get through. So, yeah, to answer your question, I feel proud of that. It's out on all platforms now you can have a look. Upk7, it's a concept album. 
 
13:32 - Alexis (Host)
We will make sure to put it in the show notes and everyone has to listen yeah so, on the flip side of things that we're proud of, what do you think has challenged you the most in creativity and what do you think the major lesson was? 
 
13:50 - Darcy (Guest)
I have this kind of like a lazy susan of skills that I'm rotating around and adding something to this one. I'm working on my DJing now. I'm working on my rapping. I'm trying to be a producer. I want to get better at these mic placements and compression and stuff. 
 
14:07
So the most challenging thing is like being all of those roles is hard. And then there's literally a project, like I did, where I'm literally all those roles at once and the difficult thing is like, yeah, people can, oh, you're good at all these things, that then having something to show for each one, or the time it takes for you to actually really master that one area when you have a lot that you're trying to digest and make sense of. So the difficult thing is like finding my identity within all those areas. Like some people will see me on the street and they say, oh, you're that rapper. Or they might say, oh, you're the dj or you're the piano guy and it's hard to make all those things work. Or how do you carve out an authentic identity when you're always jumping around mediums in a way? 
 
15:10
So I'm hoping that it becomes like a. It gets to the point where I'm can transcend all of those things, and all of those things naturally weave into something greater than and people seek me out to be that guy who knows all of those disciplines and has a different, unique perspective, where people can headhunt me to be that person, to be involved in that project, or they want me in the studio because of the energy that I bring, and they also also know that I'm good with lyrics and I'm good with arrangements and that I have this type of background. So, yeah, the challenge is making all those things work together and unify them, have them to be reinforced with one another, and not that I'm spread too thin amongst all of that. 
 
16:08 - Alexis (Host)
Now, this could be as simple as an instrument, but I'm hoping that maybe there's something maybe more sentimental. Well, who knows? I shouldn't lead you into this question Is there an object that you can't live without when you're creating, and why? 
 
16:30 - Darcy (Guest)
I wouldn't say it's an object, but what I like is a degree of chance.
 
16:41
So it's like sometimes you just have to throw paint at the wall or at the canvas, um, and not really have a clue what it's going to achieve. But, um, to have a degree of like, let's see what this does. Or let's do something that you wouldn't normally do, like let's try and put this channel effects on the one that it's not meant for. Or let's like put so, let's put some chance into the mix, so it might be just the way that you put your hands down on the piano might give you the key that you're arriving at. It might be like flicking open to a book, a page in a book, and going this is my word that I'm drawing something from, or having some degree of chance, because I feel like that's how the ideas can get through. You heard of like happy accidents, like I think there's kind of a science to happy accidents, being able to roll the dice in a way and see what will come, and that might be your first spark of creativity. 
 
17:56 - Alexis (Host)
If you could give one piece of advice, one nugget of gold to another creative, what would it be? 
 
18:05 - Darcy (Guest)
It relates to what I'm saying like follow the knowledge, go for learning and skills. Like prioritize that above short-term monetary gain. If you can always keep going, all right, I'm comfortable with this. Now it's time to be uncomfortable again. I'm gonna learn this next thing. Or I know my weakness is in my voice, or like I'm not for my beat, sound standard and stock standard and average. Or finding like, oh, my sound design skills aren't really good. I need to spend some time creating sounds and or whatever it is. That is your weakness. Keep stepping into that weak point and you'll find if you keep doing that, then you have like a broader and broader vantage point and creative standpoint to get the ideas out of your head. So I would say keep stepping into your weaknesses. Always, prioritize learning over short-term monetary gain and the money will follow in the future yep, wise words, wise words. 
 
19:21 - Alexis (Host)
Uh, well, off the back of that, if you're talking about learning and education and upskilling. If you have any other resources or references podcasts.
 
19:27 - Darcy (Guest)
yeah, one of the books that really influenced me was Robert Greene's Mastery. I don't know if you've read that one. No, I haven't. It kind of gets into people's lives who, like Beethoven and people at the top of their field in the NBA and pilots, and kind of how they went on their journey to become masters of their field, and oftentimes there would be three or more things that they've mastered, which then gives them a unique vantage point to have a breakthrough in a certain area. So, yeah, that's been very influential. 
 
20:13 - Alexis (Host)
Last but not least, one last question If you could hear anyone come on this podcast and answer these questions who would it be, and why? 
 
20:25 - Darcy (Guest)
Well, I'm a big fan of Rick Rubin. 
 
20:28
I would love I would love for him to go through the creative door. When I was doing this project out on the lands, I was listening to his book, the the creative act. I'm more of a audiobook type of person because if I start reading I'll just go to sleep. It's like valium just out, um, but I love listening to stuff. I'm a real listener. So, yeah, I listened to his book and some of the ideas that he had were like straight out of my mind, like we were speaking the same language, like we were cosmic family members or something. Stuff that I haven't well, I've articulated to people. And, um, he put it into words in this book and it's a lot of the time was yeah, and that really fueled me through that process. But, yeah, anyone like that dr dre, would be great. 
 
21:22
I'm just talking about my influences yeah um Jack White, but in terms of Australia, I mean, there's a guy who lives in Melbourne named um Lockie, Lockie Lanius. I think he's the best musician in Australia if not one of the best in the world. You'll see him all around Melbourne. In fac he's so humble he should have meteoric success. He's just a true genius. He's a masterful jazz guitarist and singer. He can do literally everything. He would be my choice for a local guest. Yeah, if I can find him be elusive, I'll put you in contact. 
 
22:16 - Alexis (Host)
Thanks, oh my goodness Darcy, this has been such a pleasure. Thanks, oh my goodness Darcy, this has been such a pleasure. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and giving such grace in these beautiful answers. 
 
22:33 - Darcy (Guest)
Oh, my pleasure. 
 
22:34 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, it's just been so lovely chatting with you. 
 
22:36 - Darcy (Guest)
Thanks for making space. 
 
22:38 - Alexis (Host)
Yes, love it. 
 
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21 | Throw The Rules Away with Anthea Palmer

In this episode of Through the Creative Door, Alexis interviews Anthea Palmer, a versatile creative—musician, mentor, teacher, venue owner, and Editor-in-Chief of Jimmy Hornet Magazine. Anthea shares key insights into her artistic journey, highlighting the importance of finding inspiration through tranquillity and personal space. She explains how moments of calm allow her creativity to thrive and provide space for innovation. Anthea also emphasises the freedom that comes from breaking away from conventional rules, encouraging artists to embrace their unique visions. 
 
If you’d like to see more of, you can follow Anthea on instagram; @ jimmyhornetmagazine
 
This episode was recorded on 14 May 2024 on the lands of the Woiworung Peoples. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being.
Thanks for listening, catch you on the next episode.
Psst! We are always on the lookout for creative people to share their story and inspire others. Have you got someone in mind who would love to have a chat? Get in contact with us via Instagram @throughthecreativedoor
 
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Creative resources from Anthea:
Notion - visual organisation tool 
 
BOOKS for marketing: 
> anything by Seth Godin
> anything by Gary Vaynerchuk
Let’s get social:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/throughthecreativedoor/ 
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CREDITS
Created and Hosted by Alexis Naylor
Music by Alexis Naylor & Ruby Miguel
Edited and Produced by Ruby Miguel
 
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00:09 - Alexis (Host)
Hello, my name is Alexis Naylor and I am your host here at Through the Creative Door. On behalf of myself and my guests, I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. May we pay our respects to all First Nations people and acknowledge Elders, past and present. On this podcast, I will be chatting to an array of creative guests, getting a glimpse into their worlds and having some honest and inspiring conversations along the way. I’m delighted to welcome you to Through the Creative Door. 
Hello, Anthea Palmer. 
 
00:52 - Anthea
Hello, Alexis Naylor
 
00:53 - Alexis 
I am so chuffed to be chatting with you. You are such a vibe and I am in such awe of you. Oh, my goodness, that's so sweet. Welcome through the creative door as I come to your house. 
 
01:06 - Anthea (Guest)
Through my creative door. 
 
01:07 - Alexis (Host)
To your creative space. But before I launch into questions, I wanted to start with a little bit about you, which I mean. You are so multifaceted and there's so much to your career and you as a human being. But even just to touch the surface, um, you, you, you are the editor-in-chief of Jimmy Hornet's magazine, which is amazing. And I feel like, are you in the like the first year? 
 
01:42 - Anthea 
Just through the first year
 
01:44 - Alexis 
 Yeah, amazing, amazing. Um, you know, for those who may or may not know, you have a history of being an amazing musician and singer. You've been a teacher, a coach, a mentor, and you've also owned multiple you know music venues in overseas and here in Australia. And, yeah, I feel like I'm only touching the surface of who you are. 
 
02:09 - Anthea (Guest)
You get to an age and there's enough years that you've done a lot. That's all it is. 
 
02:11 - Alexis 
Have I missed anything? What have I missed? 
 
02:14 - Anthea
I've had a couple of art galleries as well over the years and I did do a stint in the corporate world of communications. But yeah, that's, that's probably all of it pretty much.
 
02:28 - Alexis (Host)
I feel like there's just so much is this sea of amazingness, that is, Anthea Palmer. But, um, so we'll go into, get into the first question. Yep, first question, and because you have such a array of history behind you, this is probably well, I don't know, maybe you have a different answer for, for a different uh, life, life force. But what does a creative space mean to you, and why? 
 
02:55 - Anthea (Guest)
um, it's a really interesting question. I think twofold. Firstly, personally, as a creative person, it means a lot to me to have an environment that's inspiring and comfortable. People find creativity in different places, and some people like chaos and stress, and out of that chaos and stress comes a creative flow. But for me it's far more about a bit of tranquility and I like to be surrounded with things that I love. And so, yeah, on a personal level, it means a lot. I've got to sort of have things ordered and things I love around me and be comfortable in my environment to really, um, work at my peak. 
 
03:52 - Alexis (Host)
When you, when you say things that you love, like would that be pieces of art or? 
 
03:54 - Anthea 
yeah largely art
 
03:56 - Alexis 
yeah wow, have you got a particular piece of art that's like a bit of a anchor for you, or is it a particular artist?
 
04:03 - Anthea (Guest)
I like all of my art. Really I'm looking around the room, not a particular piece, and not necessarily art, I mean, just although I do look around there's a lot of art in the room, but you know I like colour. And then, on a business level, environment has been a really important part of my brand for years and years because I've had live music venues and galleries, and so that even the magazine now it's sort of an extension of the brand that's been building through space, through spaces over the years. So from that point of view, yeah, environment's really important to the brand and that's what's helped sort of build the vibe, I think. 
 
04:59 - Alexis (Host)
For those who are listening, where did this sort of Jimmy Hornet start Like? Where was the first space or idea that you had that name, that name? 
 
05:15 - Anthea (Guest)
Well, the name came when I had the chandelier room, my first venue, and at the same time I was coaching musicians and sort of as a sideline and to help, you know, to be useful, and at that time I thought of the name Jimmy Hornet as like an avatar, for, like my ideal client and it was, you know, like a die-hard creative that just had to create you know that they couldn't not create and at the time it was a musician that I had in mind or that I was working with. But and then I sort of forgot about the name and the first venue was called the Chandelier Room because it was a big factory space with a lot of antique chandeliers. Um, you know for a fact it was a beautiful space yeah, it was in the end. 
 
06:11
It was cool, um. And then I moved to China, mainland Dhina, and I opened venue there and I would normally have just probably called it the chandelier room and gone with the same vibe and kept the same branding. But when I got there I realized I was in the lighting manufacturing center of the world. And, fortunately, local entrepreneurs said to me you really need some marketing advice because this is China. You know, it's like when the Chinese come here and call their business something that doesn't make sense to us, you know which, and we laugh. Well, that happens with foreigners in. China all the time. Yeah, so um. For instance, if I had called it the chandelier room in the middle of the
 
06:49 - Alexis
People knocking, being like where is your warehouse? where's your chandelier? 
 
07:00 - Anthea
Exactly that's what would have happened. So they were like there's, just because it would have been the french light, called the french light in character translation. So anyway, so we had to come up with a name that would work in china. And we, oh, we worked and worked and worked all these names. 
 
07:18
That went on and on and um, the poor little marketing man was really pulling his hair out and then, sort of last resort, I said, oh, look, the only other name I can think of is Jimmy Hornet, which is sort of a silly name from the past. And he got really excited about it because Jimmy is a well-known Western name in China and it has very nice characters. It's Jimmy, and so he said Jimmy works. And then Hornet, there's very nice characters for Lucky B and of course, if you can have a lucky character in China, you know it's very favourable. And the character for Lucky that he chose also means musical note. 
 
08:04
So he was like super excited and apparently all the characters are very well balanced and everything it was meant to be. It was meant to be. All the characters are very well balanced and everything it was meant to be it was meant to be. So it got, it was called Jimmy Hornet or Jimmy Ray Fung in in Mandarin, and when I moved back to Australia I just thought I'm not rebranding again, and so I kept the name. So then the venue here was called Jimmy Hornet as well, and now the magazine's called Jimmy Hornet. 
 
08:31 - Alexis (Host)
I love that. No, it's beautiful, it's lovely to, and I think that's the thing about this podcast is the journey of creativity is not straightforward. Yeah, that's very true. Things come to the forefront and then they subside and then they come to the forefront again and I I think you sharing that story is just yeah. 
 
08:58 - Anthea (Guest)
you've got to sort of go with the flow, I mean in life and in creativity and everything really. Yeah. So that's how it came about. I've ditched the Chinese characters. They serve their purpose.
 
09:10 - Alexis (Host)
I think this next question is going to be a hard one, but then maybe it won't be. What are you most proud of creating? 
 
09:20 - Anthea (Guest)
It is a really hard question because I'm proud of lots of things actually that I've created. I'm proud of the spaces that I've created. So I guess interior design, design, but also venue design, particularly like third venue. I was good at it by then because I'd had two tests, although the China venue was beautiful. So I'm proud of that. I'm really proud of the magazine because it's new to me and I'm learning as I go, learning so much and it's really stretched me creatively and I'm really proud of it. Yeah, I mean I've just released Volume 5 and I think it's the best one. So I do feel like I mean I like some more than others for lots of reasons and they like my children. I know you're not supposed to have favorites, but I sort of do, um yeah, but I am really proud of it and excited about about it. Um, so I would say the magazine, yay. 
 
10:26 - Alexis (Host)
I love that. I love that, on the flip side of something that you're proud of, what is something that has challenged your creativity and what do you reckon the major lesson was from it? 
 
10:44 - Anthea (Guest)
um, it sounds a bit dull to heart. Back to the magazine, but that the reason I'm saying that is because I had no background. I have no formal background in design at all. I've just lucky, I've got a good eye for things. And nor have I got a background in publishing or printing or anything involved in being a magazine publisher. 
 
11:07
So I had to teach myself everything from scratch and I think the lesson I learned and when I think back it's a lesson that served me well through throughout everything I've done really creatively and that is sort of throw the rules away, because you know, there's a lot of people in the magazine industry that think people, things have to be done a certain way, even if it's like font size and index pages and referencing, and I mean there's obviously some things that are essential to a publication. But who says they have to be done the same way? And the magazine is quite different from most other magazines. And that is because I just thought, no, I'm not going to worry about learning all the rules, I'm just going to do it the way I want to do it and let it sort of progress, you know, naturally. So yeah, I would say, don't get too caught up in like the expectation or the rules that are already set in place. And that's been a really big lesson
 
12:20 - Alexis (Host)
Did you? ever feel at all pressure to abide by any of the rules? 
 
12:25 - Anthea (Guest)
Yeah, definitely. I mean, like any industry, there's a level of it that can be a bit pretentious, and I'm sure there are some. I mean there's a lot of like high art magazines and I'm not a high art magazine at all, but there are a lot of beautiful high art posh magazines and they would be bigger sticklers for, you know, I guess, the legacy of magazine layout and that sort of stuff, a particular aesthetic, and exactly yeah whereas, yeah, I'm not and I I don't really care about it, I just care about how the end product looks. 
 
13:05
I don't really care about whether people are going to go. You know, tut, tut. I mean, I've had, I have had online complaints, oh not um, you know, not awful, awful. But somebody did say it looked like an adolescent school project. And somebody said I just can't understand why you would use such and such a font at such and such a size. And I'm like, well, because I thought it looked good. But you're going to get that with everything. It doesn't matter what you know, what you do or how you're putting yourself out there. There's always going to be some criticism. 
 
13:44 - Alexis (Host)
Oh my goodness, it's so funny how I mean I can empathise with that. I released a song with a friend of mine and we've got a matching music video, which we're both very proud of doing. But yeah, the criticism of, oh, you're too close on your face or you're too like, it's like everything's critiqued. It's like you're damned if you do, damned if you don't really.
 
14:05 - Anthea (Guest)
Exactly, and you know, sometimes you look at the person that's made the comment and just think where are you even coming from? You know, if it was somebody who was an expert or had a lot of experience, you know you would probably take it a bit more to heart, I guess. But you know, everybody's a critic, aren't you critics everywhere
 
14:23 - Alexis (Host)
I mean especially with the internet. These days it's a bit easier for people to critique you. Yes, yeah, now is there an object or a thing that you can't live without when you're creating? 
 
14:43 - Anthea (Guest)
Yep, my notebook really I'm a note taker, um, I'm pretty much constantly writing notes. So I have a notebook. There's one right here next to me. This is my current one and, um, yeah, it doesn't matter what I'm doing, whether I'm um, I mean, for instance, even if I am singing, learning a song, playing piano, if it's magazine editing, if I'm writing, if I'm brainstorming, it always my hand just starts writing and I get very frustrated if I don't have a notebook with me. So, even if I go out, even if I go out for lunch now, I take a notebook. Really, yeah. 
 
15:23
Cause I think well, if somebody's late, I could doodle for 10 minutes.
 
15:28 - Alexis (Host)
Amazing.  Yeah. 
 
15:28 - Anthea (Guest)
So that's my yeah, I take a notebook everywhere and I've got. I keep them for a while in case there's anything in them I want to refer to. So I've got a notebook cupboard that's got like all my old notebooks in it and I just put masking tape on the front with the date. You know that it started and ended, yeah, and I keep them for a while and then they end up being tossed out. But yeah, 
 
15:49 - Alexis (Host)
Do you have? I know this sounds like an odd question, but do you have like a particular kind of pen that you like? 
 
16:01 - Anthea
I do! 
 
16:04 - Alexis
Yeah, because I feel like there's something about the glide on the paper clearly for you.
 
16:04 - Anthea (Guest)
Also, I usually use this like multi-colored thing oh, I love it yeah because, depending on the notes and what's in my head at the time, something might have to be in blue and something might have to be in black, so that I can quickly see that there's, you know, two aspects or whatever. So I also am a little bit color-coded. And some pages are really neat and some patents pages are just chaos, which is probably just how I was feeling on the day. 
 
16:34 - Alexis (Host)
I love this. Do you ever find writing on your like typing on your laptop or in your phone? Does that give you justice? 
 
16:44 - Anthea (Guest)
I have both or yeah, so I mean, I'm always doing everything on my laptop and I have a big screen attachment because I'm editing, so I sort of need, and I'm a bit blind these days, but I always, at the same time, have my notebook yeah. 
 
17:00 - Alexis (Host)
The notebook is your anchor. Yeah, yeah, I love that so much. If you could give one piece of advice, one nugget of advice, to another creative, what would it be? 
 
17:14 - Anthea (Guest)
um, oh look, I think it would have to be to try to stay in your own lane, regardless of what you're doing, so sort of be true to yourself, even within your creativity. Try not to, you know, get too influenced and too pulled away from what's your natural vibe, expression, brand, whatever you wanna call it. So, yeah, I think, just stay in your own lane. And that sounds really easy, but it can be difficult because we're all influenced by money and people and opportunity and this thing's flying at us everywhere. So I think it's easy to get distracted. Yeah, but I think just try to stay in your own lane, yeah. 
 
18:04 - Alexis (Host)
I love that. That's so, so poetic, so good. I'm wondering what resources would you recommend, like books or podcasts or anything that pops into mind, for someone who wants to develop their creative process. 
 
18:23 - Anthea (Guest)
I would say notion. There's a, a software package called notion and it's the best sort of visual visual organization tool, online tool that I've come across, and I've tried. You know lots of things because I'm a very visual person. So, um, as far as organizing ideas and categories of ideas and visuals, um, there's all sorts of tools that you can sort of plug into it. But, yeah, it's called notion, I think it might be notion dot, it's not dot net, but I think it might be Notion. It's not net, but it's, yeah, it might be Notionnet. Anyway, people will find it. But yeah, I use it all the time, yeah, I use it a lot just to keep things organised and put things away. In case, you know, there was a thought process that I can come back to that I might want to keep Again, visually, it's great for just organizing. You know, even as a musician it would be great as a visual artist, as a designer, as a writer. Yes, terrific tool. So that would be my tip. And it's quite cheap, it's not expensive at all. 
 
19:27 - Alexis (Host)
Well, that's helpful yeah, yeah, it's a win. Yeah, is there any like books or anything that has helped you along the way, do you think? 
 
19:39 - Anthea (Guest)
I mean recently I'm very involved in online marketing for the magazine. So you know, I mean I guess the authors that spring to mind for me, because no matter what I'm doing, I'm always trying to market it and sell it. So I mean, I love Seth Godin. I've read all of Seth Godin's books. He's like a marketing guru, very clever man, I like. I don't like the man so much, but he's. His books are good. And that's Gary Vaynerchuk, who's also very famous American marketer. Yeah, I guess they're the two authors that come to mind that I've literally read everything that they've released. 
 
20:25
Yeah and then around that. Usually my reading these days is non-fiction, because I feel like I just don't have enough time to read fiction at this stage of my life. 
 
20:35 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah. 
 
20:36 - Anthea (Guest)
Yeah, so that would my the two authors I would recommend having a look at. 
 
20:40 - Alexis (Host)
Oh love that. If you could hear any other creative come and chat with me on the podcast and answer these questions, who would it be? And why? 
 
20:50 - Anthea (Guest)
Because you're about creativity really, and, as is the magazine, I've been thinking a lot about the creatives that you don't give much mind to, and I'm quite interested in floristry in my mind at the moment and I was thinking it would be great, because of the questions you're asking me to, to find a florist, yeah, and just get their idea of space and creativity and tools and yeah. So I think somebody that's in that realm and I mean you would have to be so creative and like all other creatives that you've got so many aspects of floristry. I mean, still, the business side, the creative side, um, I think, yeah, I think they must have some good information that we could all tap into.
 
21:47 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, I love it. Oh, my goodness, thank you so much. You're welcome, Anthea Palmer, for being on through the creative door. 
 
21:51 - Anthea 
Pleasure anytime.  
 
21: 52 - Alexis 
Yay! 
 
21:57
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20 | Never Stop Growing with Cameron Alexander

In this episode of Through the Creative Door, Alexis sits down with Cameron Alexander, a talented singer-songwriter navigating the highs and lows of creative life. From the challenges of van life through the Australian terrain to the importance of finding a personal creative space, Cameron opens up about the delicate balance between routine and inspiration. Tune in for an insightful conversation about overcoming imposter syndrome, creating art in both good and bad moments in life and celebrating resilience, growth, and authentic creation true to you. 
 
If you’d like to see more of, you can follow Cameron on instagram; @ __cameron_alexander__
 
This episode was recorded on 6 May 2024 on the lands of the Yuggera Peoples. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being.
Thanks for listening, catch you on the next episode.
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Creative resources from Cameron:
I Heart Songwriters Club - https://www.iheartsongwritingclub.com/ 
 
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Created and Hosted by Alexis Naylor
Music by Alexis Naylor & Ruby Miguel
Edited and Produced by Ruby Miguel
 
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00:09 - Alexis (Host)
Hello, my name is Alexis Naylor and I am your host here at Through the Creative Door. On behalf of myself and my guests, I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. May we pay our respects to all First Nations people and acknowledge Elders, past and present. On this podcast, I will be chatting to an array of creative guests, getting a glimpse into their worlds and having some honest and inspiring conversations along the way. I’m delighted to welcome you to Through the Creative Door. 
 
Hello, how are you? 
 
00:51 - Cameron (Guest)
I'm so well, I'm so much better for seeing you on this humid Brisbane afternoon. 
 
00:57 - Alexis (Host)
Cameron Alexander. Welcome to Through the Creative Door. 
 
01:01 - Cameron (Guest)
It's so good to be here. 
 
01:03 - Alexis (Host)
Technically, I'm through your door, but that's yeah, that's you know, that's how this podcast for all. I get to come and visit
 
01:11 - Cameron (Guest) 
Strangers in places
 
01:13 - Alexis (Host)
 Stranger danger 
 
01:16 - Cameron (Guest) 
no no, no danger. 
 
01:19 - Alexis (Host) 
So let's start with a little bit about you. So you are a phenomenal artist in your own right. 
 
01:27 - Cameron (Guest)
Thank you, I appreciate that. 
 
01:28 - Alexis (Host)
You really are. You write some really catchy tunes and I think I'm enamoured, because I obviously can't play guitar, so, like I just watch what you do, I was like, oh they're just so lush so beautiful. 
 
01:45 - Cameron (Guest)
That's really. That's really nice to say,
 
01:48 - Alexis (Host) 
Oh well, it's the truth. It's the truth, but you have toured, you have recorded, you have done van life, even with your touring, which I just love absolutely froth that. 
 
02:05 - Cameron (Guest) 
Well I have to say you helped us out with that because we were going in very dark and I think Ansel, my fiancé and I we had a coffee meeting with you and you gave us a lot of very valuable tips. 
 
02:15 - Alexis (Host)
Oh, I just want everyone to go van life. I was just so excited when you were like I'm thinking about doing this. I'm like yes, yeah, yes, this I'm like yes, yeah, yes, 
 
02:25 - Cameron (Guest) 
yeah, it's hard, but it's good. It's harder than I thought. I think I rely on routine more than I realized, and I don't think I maintained routine as well as I could have 
 
2:38 - Alexis (Host) 
I would suggest it's pretty difficult to retain any kind of routine, not only just van life, but just on tour or on the road which you guys were all over the place for that yeah, so I wouldn't worry, I don't sweat small stuff. 
 
02:55 - Cameron (Guest)
What are you gonna do? 
 
02:57 - Alexis (Host)
So you have been traveling a lot. We're here in brisbane, but you're originally from Perth yes uh, you've had lots of different spaces to create, yeah, but I'm curious what does a creative space mean to you and why? 
 
03:14 - Cameron (Guest)
I sort of found on the road. I didn't write much at all really, um, lots of words maybe here and there, as far as like melody, um, and actual, you know, like putting a song together, like not much, and I'm not sure if that's just because maybe you don't have anywhere. That feels private or like for me I don't really like and I would like to do more of it, but I don't really like creating in the presence of anyone else, so much in terms of writing a song. Maybe, once you're putting something together, absolutely obviously people there. But I definitely found like, like and this was the biggest thing with with travel or whenever we've moved from one apartment to another is like if there isn't a space, that is just for that, um, it sort of doesn't happen, and I think what that means, like for us now, when we, when we moved here and moved into a place, we sort of wanted to have either a garage or a bedroom that we could set up with all the, all the other music gear in there, because I think if you have all your stuff, say, in the lounge room, oh yeah, you could play in the lounge room. It's like well, you can, but you also live with someone else and maybe there's people staying and all of those things. 
 
04:14
So for me I think um, you know, it needs to be light for me, like, and I need to feel like it's light and that sort of then comes into the garage thing, whereas I can't go and sit in like a dark sort of like a dank cellar of a garage and create, because it just doesn't really work. 
 
04:28
It's like I want to be light for me. I put a bunch of plants around, but I don't think that's essential, but I do like it and I think it just has to be instruments everywhere. So I like to have maybe two or three guitars out and a bass out and maybe there's a harmonica on the table, and I think when all those things are out, you just pick them up and play. So, even if you're not planning on creating proper, you just pick something up and play and that thing leads to another thing, and then you're like oh cool, and you either quickly grab a sound grab and you work on it later. Yeah, I guess when I lived in a bigger house, there was a guitar in every room and some of them were really crappy and some of them were really good, and sometimes you play the crappy one. 
 
05:07
You're like I actually really like how the crappy one sounds when I play this particular thing, yeah, but otherwise, like it doesn't need to be big, it just needs to have its own little separate place for me and it needs to feel private. 
 
05:19 - Alexis (Host)
Have you ever been able to get over that and write in front of or like, have the concept of a song in the presence of anyone? 
 
05:29 - Cameron (Guest)
I think I can do it lyrically, I can do words and I can do melody, but like I couldn't do instrument in front of people, I wouldn't be able to, like, write anything on guitar in front of people. I think that comes from. I feel like, guitar wise, I feel like it's something that is like the least natural of the singer-songwriter thing for me. So it's probably the thing that I feel like I need to sort of nut out of mine a little bit, work out of my own a bit and then take it to someone and could work on it then. But I need to go with like a blueprint or nuts and bolts, yeah, probably vocals and lyrics I could do on the spot, I think, pretty happily. 
 
06:05 - Alexis (Host)
It's interesting that you say that, because I do think it is a learned skill to be able to create, and I think you're always paying attention, like you know that someone's at home or someone's somewhat in earshot, even if they're not really paying attention to you. But it's funny because I started playing piano when I was a kid and an upright piano was always put in a public area of a house yeah so I sort of got used to the fact that someone would be hearing me. I never really got full privacy, yeah, and so yeah, it's almost flipped me.
 
06:36 - Cameron (Guest)
For me that's really interesting yeah. 
 
06:38 - Alexis (Host)
I can. I can start things and sort of hum things and I yeah, even when I'm in share houses. I can sort of obviously, depending on the subject matter and things like that. 
 
06:49 - Cameron (Guest)
You know, maybe you don't, it feels a bit too private but, for the most part yeah yeah, 
 
06:58 - Cameron (Guest) 
I think maybe it comes from like a feeling of almost like pseudo imposter imposter syndrome with a guitar or like I feel like I'm like does anyone realize I still don't know what I'm doing with this yet like it kind of feels like that. So, even like jamming with people, as long as I let's just have a jam I'm like I, I just don't think it's the thing that I do. I don't really enjoy it because maybe I'm just a bit on edge of my ability yeah but again singing or like writing. 
 
07:22
So let's do a writing day. I'd be like, let's do, it sounds great. So let's just jam, like play some guitars and stuff, like nah, I'll do that by myself. Sorry, which comes across as rude, but it's just. I actually just don't think I have the ability for it. I'm sorry 
 
07:34 - Alexis (Host)
Well, we know what our strengths and our weaknesses are. Yeah, we, yeah, all good. Yeah, all good, yeah. When did you start playing guitar? 
 
07:44 - Cameron (Guest)
I think I was probably like 13. Yeah, I think, and then I just was a very bad student. 
 
07:54 - Alexis (Host)
In what way? 
 
07:54 - Cameron (Guest)
In terms of like I just didn't do anything, but I want to play this. And your teacher was like great, this is how we're going to do this. This is like structure. This is that. This is that. Then you go to the lesson next week like, cool, how'd you go. And you're like, did you reckon they'll be able to figure out that I? And you're like, yeah, I was really struggling with with that C chord. Again, you're like, when you're struggling with that six months ago, you're like, yeah, it's really just come around, hasn't it? 
 
08:16 - Alexis (Host)
I do vividly remember piano teachers and they always expected you to do like certain scales and certain exercises and yeah, I don't know as kids why do you think that we all think that we can fudge it and they're, oh,
 
08:26 - Cameron (Guest)
They're not gonna know that it sounds terrible everyone can hear it. I left my guitar in my guitar teacher's room once for like a whole week, like in between lessons, and when I got back he's like how'd you go? And I was like yeah, great. And he's like how your guitar's been here for a week, he's got me there. 
 
08:51
Well played, oh man and like could you imagine now, though, like doing weekly or two sessions weekly, and how much that would would cost? And my parents were just paying for that, and I was just fudging it. No, I was. I was like, yeah, I in hindsight could use that time again perhaps but then here we are, so.
09:11 - Alexis (Host)
Oh, exactly, and you know it's all for the plot yeah.
 
09:19 - Cameron (Guest)
yeah exactly. I should tell people I didn't start till. I was like 25, I'm like wow, you're really good. Thank you. Less good for 15 years of playing. 
 
09:28 - Alexis (Host)
Well, I think you're fabulous. 
 
09:30 - Cameron (Guest)
Thank you Alexis. 
 
09:33 - Alexis (Host)
So that leads me into my next question. What if you could pick a body of work or something that you've worked on that you're most proud of creating? How do you think that came about, and like what is that project? 
 
09:52 - Cameron (Guest)
Yeah, it's a good question, Thank you. No, I think, like, honestly, there's a lot of stuff I've written lately, like since we've been here and you don't have the social community, like your social community, your friends and family like there's a lot of time to do the stuff that otherwise, you know, extracurricular activity takes out, of which for me is music and writing. There's heaps of stuff. I've got on all the electrics. I've sort of gone away from acoustic for the time being with a lot of things and I'm like spending hours and hours on that and really trying to finesse and get the sound out. So I think I'm going to be really proud of that once it's out. 
 
10:32
But I think the more obvious answer is probably the my first EP and at the moment, my only EP that's out, because that was such a response to my own like I didn't really start writing music, so I was probably 23 or 24, even like at all, and that whole EP was kind of a response, I think, to like probably about six or seven year period where I struggled a lot with anxiety and depression, which I think we hear come up a lot when you listen to, like a creative's podcast or interview, like, I think, mental health stuff and looking for either an expression of that or an escape from that probably comes up in art quite a lot. But like, listening to those the five songs on that, like they're all kind of about that, I mean I didn't really realise writing at the time. And then when you're talking to people about it afterwards or listening to it, um, you so realize you're almost, like you know, writing a letter to yourself. In a lot of ways, um, and I guess, like it's it's called Ruminations because I felt like I just had this huge period of time in my life, like really formative years, where, like was just so stuck in thinking all the time, um, and thinking mostly negative things all the time and being really worried about what everyone else thinks about you, and just like so caught up in that really vicious cycle. 
 
11:42
And so, like you know, it's called Ruminations, because I spend a lot of time ruminating on things, you know, for no real practical or positive gain, I guess, which, like I'm really glad I had that period now and I sort of uh felt like I haven't been there for, uh, probably six years, um, like at all, which has been fantastic um, but I feel like through that period I've, you know, become like I feel like I'm a very empathetic and sympathetic person and um, and have a lot of time, or try to have a lot of time for people that are also, you know, not feeling great or picking up when someone's not feeling great, because I feel like I really understand what that is like, and so I'm proud that that body of work is kind of about that. 
 
12:27 - Alexis (Host)
It's a beautiful record. 
 
12:28 - Cameron (Guest)
Yeah, thank you, I appreciate it. But yeah, I feel like I've been able to step, take another step away from just writing about your own thoughts, feelings and emotions, and I think it was like really almost like for me, like cathartic in a way, to do that again, like not intentionally, and now it's like it's done, like off your chest. I'm sure it's not done done, but it kind of feels like a full stop on a sentence there for me. 
 
12:53 - Alexis (Host)
I can relate to that. I have, yeah, bodies of work, that that was a time and a place and I wouldn't change it or rearrange it, but that, exactly what you said that door, all that full stop, that door's closed. And now you can like be like okay, what's next? 
 
13:11 - Cameron (Guest)
Yeah, yeah absolutely that's it. It's like it's there, it’s great, it’s done. Hopefully, at least that is.  
 
13:14 - Alexis (Host)
On the flip side of something that you're proud of, has there been a challenge, or like something that's like a time in your life that's challenged your creativity? 
 
13:31 - Cameron (Guest)
Yeah, for the last maybe eight months or maybe 12 months, I feel like I've just written so much so I sort of forgot. There was actually like like I wrote, wrote all those songs on the EP and a bunch of my singles, and then it could be like a song every six months or like like sometimes I feel like I wrote a song for a year. I was like man, I feel like now that I've gotten rid of a lot of these emotions that were making, that were really fueling a lot of my music, and also, you know, I'm in a super happy, like loving relationship, whereas, you know, maybe when you're going through a breakup or something, you know that gives you a lot of fuel to write about stuff because your emotions are right at the surface. So I think, like, as I found myself in a way more comfortable place in life and a like way more happy place in life and like way more happy place, I was like I don't have anything to write about, um, and you still do write some stuff, but it didn't really feel very, uh, genuine. I feel a little bit disingenuous because you're like well, it's not really. It's not really where I'm at, um, which is okay to write like that of course, it's where I like it now, um. 
 
But yeah, I think, like one of the things I learned there was also, I was like I have like you also, I want to write in alternate tunings. I want to play this sort of folky music or this sort of alternative kind of stuff, because that's what I listen to and that's what I like. So I'm not going to do anything in standard tunings, I'm not going to do anything that follows basic song structure or just well-known song structure, and so that was probably a real halt on things, because you're like oh, I've already used that shape, I've already used this pattern and this kind of just sounds like that. So I did and I signed up for it and one of it, one of our mutual friends, Ruby shout out, Ruby, she had suggested to me before the iHeart Songwriters Club. It's like online, they put you together with a you know a little online chat group, basically, and you do a song all the time, uh, like one a week for 10 weeks or something like that, um, and you might get a lot done. You might not get much done, uh, but through that I was like, just for time's sake, I'll start playing a bit more in standard um, and you know okay, like I'm sort of have hit a bit of a block here, so I was like I don't understand music theory, but I can understand enough to get my head around like a basic song structure so I can go. Okay, I'm gonna, I know I like to. 
 
15:36
I write a lot in the key of c. I think a lot, of, a lot of people do. Uh, so, okay, what are the chords in c? Okay, cool, these go, and then you sort of put it together, you know okay, and then you do another deep dive, like I'm literally like rope learning this stuff. 
 
15:46
So I'm like looking at youtube videos and like wikipedia on on how to write a song in this thing and so like approaching in a way that was like I'm just going to do it differently to how I normally do it and um, and you know, a couple songs come out of that and I'm like actually I love these little effectively like little four chord bangers in standard tuning, um, and from that I've then gone back into and now I feel like I'm writing a lot, you know electric, alternate, electric, standard, like acoustic, and like it just feels like at the moment. Um, yeah, I feel like I'm writing a lot and I think a lot of that was just by trying to break out of doing exactly what I do. Do something different and everything is everything's a lot more clear and like so much better for it, I guess it's like another tool. 
 
16:27 - Alexis (Host)
I do think we need to judge things up sometimes, like push us out of our comfort zone, like because we do get into a bit of a formula which there's nothing wrong with the formula, but it's good to challenge ourselves and sometimes we need to put ourselves in situations where you're doing the songwriting, you know class, or like something else to others around you to sort of push you a little bit. 
 
16:54 - Cameron (Guest)
Yep. And also, like you have that pressure of like, well, you need to have something next week, so figure something out. It's not quite done, but you know you might have something that you might not ever use that song again. It might've been a shape in there that you really liked chord wise or a verse in there that you really liked. You then take that verse and I think there's something I could do here. That I think there's something I could do here. That verse becomes a chorus, that becomes a song. And it was all because you had you know an hour to just bust out something that you know resembles a song as quickly as you could. So I think, yeah, just looking to do something different, rather than for me, I probably just sat there a lot trying to play something like God, I've got nothing. Like I've really got nothing here. I'm like I'm trying all this stuff, it's just nothing. And, yeah, force the hand a little bit. 
 
17:35 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, now is there any object or thing that you can't live without when you're creating? 
 
17:42 - Cameron (Guest)
The. The obvious one would have, like it has to be this very specific guitar. It's like my first um Maten, which is just recently been retired from gigs because, um, it doesn't quite sound like what it used to, despite a lot of work. So I think I've had that since I was maybe, oh, no 14. Um, it's like beautiful, absolutely love it. Just an old, like pretty, just run the mill, sort of mid range Maten, but like I just love writing on that um, and I've got some other like much better guitars, um, and I just don't really write on them. Um, but when I'm specifically sitting down to put a song together, if I feel like something's coming, coming around, I'm like, oh, there's like an earworm, you know, when you feel you feel you're like, oh, I think love, and I'm feeling very creative and so you go and um, it's pen and paper. 
 
18:30
So I find like I do have a phone full of notes and voice memos and all the rest, but like, as far as you know, maybe I've got something 40 percent done, if I sit down with pen and paper I can probably get it very close to being, you know, majority done, versus if I'm typing in my phone. I don't know why it just um that one's quite essential for me. 
 
18:49 - Alexis (Host)
I'd agree with that. I'd agree with that. If you could give one piece of advice, one nugget of gold to another creative what would it be? 
 
19:06 - Cameron (Guest)
This one's such a cliche but truly like writing something that you actually enjoy and or like or painting something, or you know you can do. You can do so many things well, but if you don't like it, it either gets really old really quickly or like you just don't enjoy doing it. So, like you know, say, maybe cover gigs and stuff like that for me is something that like I actually just really don't like doing it. Um, I just find it quite boring.
 
19:28 - Alexis (Host)
Look, I've done my fair share and I'll be honest, Yeah, yeah, and I really struggle 
 
19:34 - Cameron (Guest)
I love that other people do it and I love playing some covers here and there. Sure, I just really like writing and creating and I feel like playing someone else's stuff um, just doesn't do it for me quite as much. So I think, like really like, do do what you like and you're probably good at it, and I think always, always just look to get better. It was really like you're not gonna be as good today as you are tomorrow and you're gonna be much better next year than this year. And I think like that's such a big thing with art is how rapidly something can improve, at least to everyone else. 
 
20:12
You know, I remember like two years ago you weren't quite this good and so well, I have done it for three hours a day for the last two years. So I would hope I'm a bit, but like, truly like the amount of work that goes into it feels like so much and it is a lot. But the relative time frame I don't think is, you know, you know in in your life or all the rest of it, like it's actually not so much. So I think always be accepting of feedback and trying to grow. 
 
20:34 - Alexis (Host)
Well said. Well said, I mean, we just mentioned that IHeart Songwriting. 
 
20:44 - Cameron (Guest)
Yes, iheart Songwriters Club I believe. 
 
20:45 - Alexis (Host)
iHeart Songwriters Club. Additional to that, as like a resource or something that you've been able to utilize, would you recommend anything else if someone sort of wanted to do what you do, um, or if they wanted to develop their creative process? 
 
21:06 - Cameron (Guest)
Yeah, I actually I feel like I try and do these things so I can speak for, like, what I've tried and what's worked, like. So, um, trying something different, like really, like truly. Um, I wanted to play everything alternate tune because that makes me super alternative and cool. Uh, so I'm never going to do anything in standard and I start writing in standard a little bit and I'm like this is so much fun. I love these little, these little bops, and like the audience loves them. 
 
21:31
So so, trying something completely different and that might be if you're someone that's always like a really structured, you know we're going to go verse, verse, chorus, um, verse, bridge, chorus, chorus, chorus. Like try and do it completely different. Um, and try, yeah, just just look at anything that's different to what you're doing and see if you can find something in that. It's not a specific resource, but I think like it's also really achievable, like you don't have to pay anything to listen to a Leonard Cohen album on spotify and it's probably really different to anything you're doing, because it's quite strange, um and and yeah, I think, find what motivates you. 
 
22:10
So when I go and see a show, I like to be close to where the guitar pedals are, so I'm like what's this guy doing? there and everything. And then that makes me think, okay, well, now I'm going to go try, I'm going to try some of those things. I saw they were doing that and like. So you're just always like tinkering and and trying new things and different things to what you do, I think. 
 
22:29 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, amazing. Yeah, I do that. I like obsess over, like depending on what people are doing at the shows 
 
22:30 - Cameron (Guest)
Yeah, it's funny, it's like you enjoy it, but sometimes it's like you can't enjoy it because you're um, it's like you're learning. but in a good way, in a great way, 
 
22:41 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, I've had this, but yeah but I've had this conversation with someone before about how like I thoroughly immerse myself and enjoy going to live music. But there is I'm, I'm I don't want to say critiquing, cause that sounds bad, but there's definitely an element of like Hmm, yep, they're tight and they're doing this or what they're doing over there. 
 
23:02
Oh, I like that intro. Oh, I like what they did with the backing vocals there. 
 
23:14 - Cameron (Guest)
Do you hear that? Like that seg seg, like how they just went from there to there. That was unreal. Like, um, I think they're using backing tracks here. Yeah, does that sound like a backing track to you? Like it's so funny. Um, that's what Ansel and I always find right. How did it go? I thought it was really interesting that they changed from like that guitar to that one. Just like what? Like, just watch the music, mate. 
 
23:25 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, it's so true, I'm exactly the same. One last question yes, if you could hear any other creative, come on this podcast and chat with me and answer these questions, who would it be and why? 
 
23:40 - Cameron (Guest)
There are some great ones, but the list could be like 40 people long um hit me with some, with some. Do you know Idan Shmoné Have you had him on? 
Oh, he's incredible. So he's Israeli multi-instrumentalist. You probably would have seen his videos around, but saxophone is a big one for him. He's an incredible singer, incredible songwriter, currently touring with a band, but has toured with a full loop set up where he'll loop ten different instruments and he's an incredible story. Him and I have had a few beers around a fire and I just listened to him talk for four hours and it's just amazing. He's so funny. But yeah, he's come from Israel, moved to Fremantle, just all this stuff is wild. He'd be a great one because he is a story. 
 
24:27
Sunday Lemonade those guys are great because they've just been grinding so hard. I think, um, their story for what I've seen and what I've spoke to them about is like they're always just doing it, that more old school, that old school music way, where you just like tour and tour and grow an audience and they do it so well I think, that's super admirable, because I definitely burnt out a little bit with it after a year and a bit, so so I don't know how they manage it. 
 
24:55
Um, and then gosh all the people in Perth we know, yeah there's just so many there's honestly, I really do feel so inspired by so many people and when you go see them you're like it's just so good when you see everyone else doing so well and you're like I remember when we played this and we did that and, like you, all sort of know each other, it's like it's um, yeah, it's gorgeous, I think yeah. 
 
25:16 - Alexis (Host)
Beautiful. Cameron Alexander, thank you so much for being on the podcast. It's been so beautiful having you through the creative door oh. 
 
25:26 - Cameron (Guest)
Thank you for letting me in. You know I've been knocking for some time, yeah. 
 
25:36 - Alexis (Host)
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19 | Give Yourself Permission To Try and Fail with Maja Puseljic

In this episode of Through the Creative Door, Alexis sits down with the multi-talented poet, singer-songwriter, writer & author of ‘The Realest Bitch Out’ and ‘Coming Home To Yourself’ and all round creative spirit, Maja Puseljic. They dive deep into the essence of creativity, exploring the power of freedom in artistic expression and the courage it takes to confront life's challenges through art. Maja shares her journey of turning life's trials into poetry and music, revealing that creativity is born from the raw, unfiltered experiences of everyday life. Whether you're struggling to find your voice or looking for inspiration to push your creative boundaries, this episode will encourage you to embrace the messiness of the process, trust your intuition, and never shy away from asking for help when you need it. 
If you’d like to see more of, you can follow Maja on instagram; @ majaofficialmusic
 
This episode was recorded on 5 May 2024 on the lands of the Gubbi Gubbi Peoples. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being.
Thanks for listening, catch you on the next episode.
Psst! We are always on the lookout for creative people to share their story and inspire others. Have you got someone in mind who would love to have a chat? Get in contact with us via Instagram @throughthecreativedoor
 
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Creative resources from Maja:
> BOOK: Jab, Jab, Jab, Right Hook: How to Tell Your Story in a Noisy Social World by Gary Vaynerchuk
> BOOK: Music Business: A Musician’s Guide to the AUstralian Music Industry by Top Australian Lawyers and Deal Makers by Jules Munro and Shane Simpson
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Created and Hosted by Alexis Naylor
Music by Alexis Naylor & Ruby Miguel
Edited and Produced by Ruby Miguel
 
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00:08 - Alexis (Host)
Hello, my name is Alexis Naylor and I am your host here at Through the Creative Door. On behalf of myself and my guests, I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. May we pay our respects to all First Nations people and acknowledge Elders, past and present. On this podcast, I will be chatting to an array of creative guests, getting a glimpse into their worlds and having some honest and inspiring conversations along the way. I’m delighted to welcome you to Through the Creative Door. 
Hello, Maja, how are you?
 
00:51 - Maja (Guest)
 I'm good
 
00:52 - Alexis (Host)
I am so chuffed. Welcome to Through the Creative Door. Well, you've let me actually through your creative door. 
 
00:59 - Maja (Guest)
I have literally, 
 
00:56 - Alexis (Host)
Oh my goodness, thank you so much. 
 
00:58 - Maja (Guest) 
Thanks for coming
 
01:01 - Alexis (Host)
Let's just have a little chat about. Well, first off, let's go through. You are such a talented bear, oh, oh, my goodness. Uh, I'm in absolute awe of you. You are a phenomenal poet who has written multiple books. You are a phenomenal singer-songwriter who also plays multiple instruments. Oh my God, and you like teach. And I mean, you've got many strings to your bow as a creative. Have I missed anything? 
 
01:39 - Maja (Guest)
I'm into astrology, tarot and kinesiology right now is what I'm studying. So I'm doing a bit of of like um non-western therapy, and then the music obviously, but I think they're all kind of creative artforms. 
 
01:52 - Alexis (Host)
I think so too. I think it's that um notion of like curiosity and like wanting to learn and like picking things up. 
 
01:59 - Maja (Guest)
It's very intuitive yeah, super intuitive, mediums, yeah, yeah. 
 
02:03 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, love it. Now. I know I'm in your creative space at the moment, but I'm curious what does a creative space mean to you and why? 
 
02:14 - Maja (Guest)
Okay, I did look at this question before. I did try to prepare for it. 
So I will say, well, the first line I wrote was freedom. Yeah, so feeling free is the only way to be creative for me, like and not holding back. I think with my poetry I try not to hold back. I say everything I think and they can be confronting for people sometimes and it can be considered too much, but it's also like I think the gold in when you're creating is to not hold back too much. But it's also like I think the gold in when you're creating is to not hold back and to not be afraid to offend or push those boundaries or like you know you got to work with. 
 
02:51
But for me, like, the biggest creativity and like creative inspiration is life. Just like being in the world, like when I'm like okay, I was telling you before like I spent seven or eight hours in the hospital and I wrote a poem just based off all the surroundings that were happening, you know, and the times of the day, like 4am, 5am, 6, like you know, I kind of. So you know, anything can be creative if you want it to be. Like you can make creativity out of just a bad situation, and that's what I love about creating is like trying to turn these bad situations into something special or like something that people can relate to. And I find with my music and my poetry I hope that people think it's like like relevant or funny, but it's like, you know, trying to make fun of life in a certain way, or like you know, those were kind of my favorite people when I was a child, like watching, you know, actors. My mum would take me to the theatre and I would watch like actors perform and I would be like, oh my god, this is so amazing. And I kind of see myself that way, where it's like when I'm performing I'm kind of like an actor, I become the part of my life, like the story that is my life. 
 
04:01
But anyway, to answer the question, really it's about just like the freedom to be able to express and say those things. And I think if you have a filter or you have a block throat chakra or you can't, you don't feel like the audience is feeling you or you don't feel heard in some way. That's like the hardest thing. But when you're in your own creative space or in those spaces where you feel safe, that's when that creativity can like blossom. But for me that could be anywhere. It's just like nice to have the actual room to come back to you know. 
 
04:34 - Alexis (Host) 
Yeah, but it's not a quintessential necessity. 
 
04:37 - Maja (Guest)
I don't need to go to like one space to be able to create. It's just like it's nice to have it, you know yeah, yeah.  
 
04:46 - Alexis (Host)
oh, I love it yeah. I mean, this is an interesting question, considering that you have so many ventures. Okay, is there one body of work or one thing that you've created that you're most proud of today? 
 
05:02 - Maja (Guest)
I actually brought the things because I thought might might as well show you my first album. I'll get there. So I've done two EPs and this is the album. I've got another album that's coming, but not maybe in the next two years. But yeah, it was very special because I wrote it based off a book of poetry. I wrote this in Melbourne. It was like when I moved to Melbourne I was like I want to write poetry. Like I literally manifested it. I wrote 2015, I will be living in Melbourne writing my own poetry. 
 
05:32
It's like I think we have like a very filtered world now. We're not allowed to speak or say what we think, and everyone's entitled to their opinion, and I think this was just for me to really say this was my opinion, this is what I think. You know, not everyone has to agree with my opinions, but it was just for me to really say this was my opinion, this is what I think. You know, not everyone has to agree with my opinions, but it was just for me to be able to say them and I feel like it freed me, you know, like it freed me to be fully who I am, you know to write this book and I still have, you know, sometimes fear around it because it's like, oh, what will people think? Like I, still the Gemini in there is still, like you know, questioning. 
 
06:02
But like I wrote it to free myself, really to free myself from, like all the self-imposed restrictions that I felt like society had put onto me and I have to be in this box or I have to be in that box, kind of what we were talking about like just to just to be, like, well, actually I don't have to be, and maybe I fit into this box a bit, and this one a little bit as well, but that's okay, you know. And I, when I wrote the um, the blurb, I wrote like this is for the people who are somewhere in the middle ground and for the loners, like I was really writing for people who felt alone and who didn't feel like they quite fit in, you know, one way or the other way, and they were just a bit more, you know. Yeah, but anyway, that's what I'm proud of right now. 
 
06:47 - Alexis (Host)
I love this. Thank you so much for sharing. On the total opposite side, speaking of juxtapositions, yes, has there been something that a situation or a circumstance or I don't know something, that has challenged your creativity? And yeah, how did you maneuver through over around it? 
 
07:13 - Maja (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, I was thinking about this as well. One I had a very specific instance. I don't know if you want me to tell you the very specific instance, but writing my song Woman I've Become, which was became quite a hit for my career. I would say all my female friends that love it know it. It's like a very strong, like female empowerment song and it's just like. But there was a bit in the song where I was struggling with the producer because we couldn't quite get it to flow like it. We got in certain sections but the middle section was really missing, like just something. It was just, it didn't feel right and I was so stressed. I remember I was dating this guy at the time and he was like no, it needs to be a bit more like you know like just he like drummed it out for me and I was like, yeah, you're right. 
 
08:02
And then my friend came in Jacob, if you're listening. He came in and he has a bit of a producer brain as well. And he just came in and literally what fixed the problem was a tambourine. It was just like, and then it just like it crescendoed when it got to the drums it felt right, it was like missing this huge percussion bit. And after that challenge, in the next time I went into the studio it was like important for me to um tell the next producer like I need the percussion to work and to feel right, you know. So it did like it like he was quite all over the percussion stuff, so I didn't have to worry about that so much. So I mean, that was just like a very specific instance of like where something was quite challenging and like we overcame it, um, with the tambourine. 
 
08:55 - Alexis (Guest) 
In that time of the challenge of like, obviously feeling like you're hitting that brick wall, yes, like, what kind of energy? like what was that like for you in that space? Like how were you manoeuvring through that with obviously you're working with your producer. Yeah, how did you manage that? 
 
09:13 - Maja (Guest)
I don't know, I just said we need to bring Jacob in, like we need a third party, like because we were not getting anywhere, so we needed like a mediator, almost. And he was good, because I like getting him in, because he has like a completely different. It's like he just brings in something new that I wouldn't think of, you know. So he just came in and he just thought of the tambourine bit and it just like solved my issue, you know. So that was really nice, like just getting that happening, you know. So, yeah, I didn't at the time I just felt lost and confused and unhappy, but, yeah, until I thought, well, we need someone else, like another perspective. So that's what fixed it, like another perspective, really. 
 
09:55 - Alexis (Host)
I think it doesn't matter what part of our you know journey, we so need to be able to have the ability to lean on our community. True, you know, there are times where, yeah, you just feel a bit like overwhelmed. 
 
10:10 - Maja (Guest)
Yeah, as much as I want to be an independent woman that can do it all myself. Like, I know my limits of like. When I need help, I'm not afraid to ask, and I think that's something that what you're trying to say limits of like. When I need help, I'm not afraid to ask, and I think that's something that what you're trying to say is like, when you need help, it's okay to ask, it's okay to receive, and I think a lot of people, and women especially we, can struggle to receive that help. So it's like allowing yourself to receive. You know, yeah, okay, it's okay, let them help. 
 
10:37 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah. Do you have any objects or things that you can't live without when you're creating? 
 
10:46 - Maja (Guest)
Yes, I saw that question. Um, I don't know, the only thing I could think of was like my phone. 
 
10:56 - Alexis (Host)
I mean, it is an object, it is a thing. Yes, I'm curious why? 
 
10:59 - Maja (Guest)
uh, because I write all my, my thoughts and my feelings in the phone, like any kind of one-liners that I have, you know, any thoughts that I just like sudden, you know, like anything I think is good, or it all goes in my phone and that's where it begins like a song, even if I have lyrics, I'll write it in the phone. Um, and the guitar also, if it's, if I'm doing musical stuff. The guitar I guess is an object, but mainly the phone. I can record stuff on the phone too. It's just mainly but the note keeping and keeping all my stuff together. It's like just one place. 
 
11:32 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah, yeah, please tell me you back it up.
 
11:38 - Maja (Guest)
uh, no, the last, you should have seen the last, um, the last phone I had. I literally dropped it into the ocean and then I actually had 24 hours to save some of the poetry and I still refuse to, because I was like, no, I'm letting go, no, I'm like god, I wish I had that poetry. Not even the photos I lost like 30,000 photos, but it was more the poetry that I wanted back. 
 
11:59 - Alexis (Host)
For those listening. If you take anything from this podcast, back up your data. 
 
12:07 - Maja (Guest)
Well, I've backed everything up onto the cloud now, my website guys forced me. 
 
12:14 - Alexis (Host)
Thank God, someone in your community is telling you to back up things. Yeah. Your stressing me out here. 
 
12:17 - Maja (Guest)
Yeah, he's got some Virgo in his chart, so he was is telling you to back up things.
 
12:19 - Alexis (Host)
If you could give one piece of advice, one nugget of gold to another, creative yeah, what would it be? 
 
12:34 - Maja (Guest)
uh, just keep going. That's my advice. Don't give up, just start. You know, like when I first started I did not know how to make an EP. I remember like I didn't even know how to get a gig. I went to an open mic and someone yelled out you're not in tune. And then like that was rough, but then like I just kept going, like I I did like gigs at Grill’d for no money, just to be heard like. And then I I just got better at like trying to book gigs and like I got better at okay, how am I going to make an EP? 
 
13:05
One of my friends was we did composition at uni together, my first EP. We literally recorded it in his bedroom and like we took some of the equipment and recorded piano and it wasn't perfect. I'm like it's somewhere in the box, um, and you know it was like I spent about $800 for print run of 500 CDs that were just like. You know, you slotted in the disc and I got a graphic. I didn't know, I just did the things, I just tried to do the things. 
 
13:34
And then, and even with the book, I was like, how do I do I write a book? I mean, my kinesiologist helped me a lot with that and she was like you know, get a. You know, I got the graphic designer and then it became like you know, I found a print company that I still go with. These books were both printed in the same company like, and you know, I just I just made it happen and I just kept going and I think a lot of people give up or they quit or they're like afraid or because they don't know. You know it might not be good enough, but it's like the only way you're going to be good enough is if you give yourself the permission to try and fail you know,
 
14:09 - Alexis (Host)
oh, isn't that a gold nugget? 
 
14:14 - Maja (Guest) 
and yeah, that's my advice yeah, 
 
14:16 - Alexis (Host) 
ah, it is so true, though I think we can get too bogged down in perfectionism. And yeah almost ends up being a noose if we're not careful. 
 
14:29 - Maja (Guest)
Yeah, and we don't talk, I don't know if we do talk about it, but I think a lot of artists are perfectionists. We like things because there's an aspect to wanting to control your art and make it. You know that masterpiece or perfect and any kind of creative person you look back and see their history, you'll see that they have some level of like OCD with their art, you know 
 
14:49 - Alexis (Host) 
Well, we're curating what actually is that final product that goes out exactly you know, 
 
14:54 - Maja (Guest) 
And you want your final product to represent you and you want it to be good and and I think people that sometimes, when you're working with certain people that don't understand that it's because they're not invested in it as much as you. 
 
15:03
But it's like your baby, you know, it's your life, so you don't want your baby to be misrepresented. You want it to be the most authentic version of you, you know, and you want to find people that can support, that are on board with that vision. And it's hard because, again, I want everyone to be in my tribe, but you want to have the people that are like you know, your people that are in the tribe. 
 
15:25
Yeah, and it's like and and people you know. And that's the best part about art. You know you're allowed to listen to fuckng punk rock or metal and you're allowed to listen to like pop or whatever you want. You know it doesn't have to be, and that's why we have all these avenues and one of the good things about capitalism you can just pick and choose what you want. You know, like you're not restricted to to like one thing, so it's like just yeah, like, let your. There's an outlet for whoever like you want to be, you know, and a market and a niche. That was one nice thing I liked about living in Melbourne. You know, you'll find your people. 
 
16:03 - Alexis (Host)
Yeah. You definitely have the population to support it. 
 
16:06 - Maja (Guest)
Yes, exactly. 
 
16:13 - Alexis (Host)
Now this might be a tough one because you're coming at it from a poetry side, or I mean, maybe you can give me a list for poetry and like writing, like creative writing versus music, yes, but have you got any advice? If someone wants to do what you do, is there any resources like podcasts or books or…
16:41 - Maja (Guest)
I was trying to think about this because I thought this is a very practical question. It's very you. I appreciated it, but, um, I mean the answer that I wrote down when I was thinking about it was just like, try to find the people that inspire you the most and see what they did. That's my advice is, like, you know, I love, I looked at Bon Iver and I love Kanye and I look at the way that they do things very different. You know like, Bon Iver became famous by having a heartbreak and like, just like, writing in the cabin, yeah, Kanye went to Jay-Z's studio and was like I'm amazing, you want to fuckng hear me, you know, and he kept going and kept persisting until they heard him, you know. So it's like those are two completely different approaches. Right, one, just hap, again, it was destined, you know. And then the other one was sort of destined too, but he, you know, he made it happen in another way. So it's like, but I love both of them and I like how contrasting they are and it's just like, but like the stories inspire me of the people, also for me as a poet. 
 
17:43
I watch a lot of comedians, I care about banter, so I what I like to watch how other people do things and how they deliver their jokes. I'm constantly watching people deliver jokes like like how are they presenting themselves? You know, and I guess it's like you know, if you want to be the best guitarist or whatever, go watch all the guitarists that inspire you and find what you resonate with you know. Or if you want to be a good poet, go watch. You know, for me, read a bunch of books about like that that you like, that resonate with you, because, like I know, I love Sylvia Plath and I'm like these artists and I like certain people, but that's me and that kind of shapes my style, you know. 
 
18:24
But, like, I guess the inspirational stories is what I really look for. So it's like you got to find your inspirational stories that other people do, and then you become the inspirational story. Amen, sister, yeah but actually I'll just say one more thing that did help me, one of the books that I read Gary Vaynerchuck. Do you know, Gary? 
 
18:47 - Alexis (Host)
I do not Tell us more yeah. 
 
18:49 - Maja (Guest)
He's like a. He wrote a marketing book called Jab Jab Right Hook and it was just about social media marketing, like how to make posts on insta and facebook and twitter, and that helped me a lot, just like with my not in an artistic way, but in like my career way. Music business. Yes, exactly, and the music business book is pretty good too yes by Shane Simpson and Jules Monroe. 
 
19:15
Yeah, I actually need to go through that properly. But yeah, it's got some good advice and yeah. But I mean I like to read also, just like you know, just other type, like you know spiritual books as well and stuff, and doesn't have to be um music per se. But writing has helped me a lot and reading yeah yeah, 
 
19:36 - Alexis (Host)
I was just about to say. I would suggest that your poetry as as an author, like yeah, I read a lot. 
 
19:42 - Maja (Guest)
I read a lot. I read a lot of classics. Yeah, like you know, Picture of Dorian Gray, Catcher in the Rye, Anna Karenina. Like you know, old school Tolstoy, like, just like the, the classics were really important for me as a writer because I learned how to write from that. It, like, was a good basis of being a better writer. So, yeah, love that. You know, that's my advice go find the people that you like, guys, and then let them mold, you know, help you.. 
 
20:18 - Alexis (Host)
Feed the brain. One last question Yep, If you could hear another creative come onto this podcast and answer for me to interview and answer these questions, who would it be, and why? 
 
20:29 - Maja (Guest)
Probably my best friend, Kate. Okay, kate Lusetta. She's just a really good songwriter and I feel like she'd have some good answers for you interesting. 
 
20:42 - Alexis (Host)
All right, I'll have to uh look her up and uh send you her details yeah, please do, yeah, please. 
20:57 - Maja (Guest) 
She's in Mcleod so oh, she's down in Melbourne 
 
20:59 - Alexis 
Amazing, she's close uh, thank you so much for coming through the Creative Door This has been such a joy. Absolutely fills my cup.
 
21:01 - Maja (Guest)
Yeah, me too. I'm glad you're in my space. I really appreciate it. Thanks for coming. 
 
21:10 - Alexis (Host)
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