Through The Creative Door

BSIDE Never for Ever by Kate Bush

Featured Artist: Kate Bush
Featured Vinyl:  Never for Ever
 
Alexis’ Hot Pick 
The Wedding List
Sam’s Hot Pick
Breathing
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16 | Turning Up Every Day with Levi Russell

Join Alexis as she welcomes Brisbane-based producer, engineer, mixer, and multi-instrumentalist Levi Russell for an inspiring conversation through the Creative Door. With 16 years of experience across genres, from indie rock to intimate acoustic, Levi opens up about his creative journey, the power of routine, embracing imperfection, and building safe, inviting spaces for artists to thrive. Together, they explore the art of turning a blank canvas into a finished song and the lessons learned from collaboration and feedback. Whether you’re a musician, producer, or creative explorer, this interview will leave you motivated to keep showing up and creating your own magic.
 
If you’d like to see more, you can follow Levi on instagram; @ levi_russel
This episode was recorded on 21st June 2025 on the lands of the Yuggera Peoples. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being.
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Creative  resources:
Recording Studio Rockstars Podcast
Andrew Talks To Awesome People - Youtube Channel 
 
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BSIDE Crime of the Century by Supertramp

Featured Artist: Supertramp
Featured Vinyl: Crime of the Century
 
Alexis’ Hot Pick 
Bloody Well Right
Sam’s Hot Pick
Dreamer
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15 | You Need The Darkness To Appreciate The Light with Nate Eggins

Meet Nate Eggins, musician, science communicator, and all-around creative force. In this uplifting chat, we sit down (on the floor, of course) to explore how curiosity, music, and critical thinking can change lives.
From award-winning songs to sold-out planetarium shows, Nate shares how he found his voice by blending satire, soul, and science. and why creating from a place of joy, community, and authenticity is everything.
If you’d like to see more, you can follow Nate on instagram; @conspiracyofone @inkindfolk
 
This episode was recorded on 19th June 2025 on the lands of the Yuggera Peoples. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being.
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BSIDE The Best Of Roberta Flack by Roberta Flack

Featured Artist: Roberta Flack
Featured Vinyl: The Best Of Roberta Flack
 
Alexis’ Hot Pick 
Killing Me Softly With His Song
Sam’s Hot Pick
You’ve Got a Friend
Thanks for listening, catch you on the next episode.
You won’t find this record in its entirety anywhere but online as a YouTube playlist thanks to Rafael Martin—or spinning old-school on a purchased vinyl.
Playlist:⁦https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1JmU8l-9JbWuH-VaQVI18TfiMs9rDW_9&si=_T_OKDBUA1KFcAK-⁩
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BSIDE Hotter Than July by Stevie Wonder

Featured Artist: Stevie Wonder
Featured Vinyl: Hotter Than July
 
Alexis’ Hot Pick 
Lately
Sam’s Hot Pick
Do Like You
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14 | Let Your Curiosity Lead The Way with Woody Samson

Alexis chats with Melbourne multi-instrumentalist, singer-songwriter and DJ from Naarm/Melbourne, the incredible Woody Samson. From the wild joys of live performance to writing an EP live on stage, Woody chats with Alexis about balancing gigs with rest, working through trauma, and the magic of letting curiosity lead the way. Woody brings trumpet, guitar, synths, percussion and serious energy to every stage,  and this convo is just as vibrant.
 
If you’d like to see more, you can follow Woody on instagram; @woodysamson 
 
This episode was recorded on 27th May 2025 on the lands of the Woiworung Peoples. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being.
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Creative resources from Woody: 
Equipboard.com 
 
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13 | It Takes Years To Be Bad At Something with Hayden Dun

Alexis chats with the wildly creative Hayden Dun, a Melbourne based classically trained pianist, composer, teacher, and long-time improviser with Impromptunes.
They talk about staying curious, finding creative flow, and how to keep the joy in making art, even when it’s hard. 
If you’d like to see more, you can follow Hayden on instagram; @ haydendunmusic
This episode was recorded on 24th May 2025 on the lands of the Woiworung Peoples. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being.
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Creative resources from Hayden:
Asuria: https://www.asuria.com.au/courses
 
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 Oh my goodness, Hayden Dun What a glorious day this is to get to interview you. I'm so very excited. 
 
I'm really excited to be here, Alexis. 
 
Ah, I am coming through your creative door, your gracious, beautiful home. . You are a very talented bear. You are a classical trained pianist.
 
You are a composer of some phenomenal tunes. Might I add? And also you're a teacher. 
 
Yeah. 
 
Which I think is really beautiful. You are sharing your knowledge, sharing your gift. 
 
Thank you. 
 
Before we get started into the questions, 'cause I know that you're prepared, I love a man who's prepared. But I just wanted to mention, you got a young composer of the ward at, Victorian College of the Arts.
 
Is that right? 
 
I did, yeah. 
 
Oh, that is so impressive.
 
  How does that come about? 
Thanks. Is, I think it is much harder to get it for performing than for composing 'cause I'm pretty sure I also applied for performing and yeah, I didn't get anywhere close to being selected.
 
Yeah, it, competitive space. Yeah. Competitive space a hundred percent. I also 
 
 
 
wanna mention, 
 
 
 
obviously the rabbit hole of 
 
 
 
going through your world, which is so much fun, I got to come across one of your beautiful music videos. Which is, for water dance. Yeah. Water dance. Water dance. Yes. Oh my goodness.
 
And I saw that the video is amazing, by the way, and I have a sneaking suspicion that was down the peninsula or somewhere in Victoria. 
 
Yeah. 
 
But the thing that I found really cool is you dedicated it to your sister. Yeah. Who's the videographer, right? Yeah. 
 
She was. Oh 
 
my goodness. Tell me a bit about this.
 
I'm intrigued. 
 
My sister is a marine biologist and she's also an a photographer, underwater photographer as well. And yeah, she, yeah, she's really inspiring to me. I. She's my younger sister, but she still inspires me 
 
and it makes sense being water dancer, that you would dedicate it to someone who's immersed her life around water.
 
Yeah. 
 
Oh, I love that. How beautiful. 
 
Yeah. Yeah. And it was her idea to go to the cliff. Pretty sure it was Half Moon Bay. 
 
Yes. Okay. I thought it was down that way of Victoria. I was like,
 
yeah, it's a long way away. 
 
Oh, beautiful. 
 
 
 
Question one. Question, what does a creative space mean to you and why? 
 
Great question. For me, it's definitely changed. When I was in school and when I was studying at uni, I was, it was by my piano. I could spend hours a week 
 
 
 
there. 
 
 
 
 
 
nowadays, now that I'm 30 
 
 
 
 
 
music and teaching, my, 
 
 
 
my full-time profession, so I don't get hours a week at my piano anymore.
 
So I've been forced to make it everywhere, especially when I am, especially when I'm driving. I spend, have a lot of dead time driving from gig to gig. So now, I make it my creative time, my creative echo chamber. 
 
Interesting. And how do you, when is that you just getting inspiration, listening to different things?
 
Or are you having to pull up on the side of the road and do voice messages? 
 
 
 
How do you harness that creativity in that space? 
 
Yeah, exactly. That. If I get, a really great idea, I'll either, I'll try to quickly tell it to Siri to put it in. If that doesn't work, which it often doesn't, I will pull up on the side of the road.
 
 
 
 
 
And 
 
you find that you are able to. 
 
 
 
Imagine some of these melodies and that instrumentation, even though you are not at a piano. 
 
I do it better at a piano, but yes, I can still get a rough idea of it. I'm driving
 
amazing. Oh, I can empathize with the car scenario. I love long.
 
Hall drives. 
 
Yeah. 
 
And I find that something 
 
 
 
about doing the mundane task that your brain goes to this creative space. Yeah. I find the same when I go running. Yeah. 
 
Yeah. A hundred percent. Running walks, traveling to other countries, that's all where it comes. So yeah, it comes when I'm not, when I'm not at my most convenient at the piano.
 
How 
 
dare it not be convenient? Oh, 
 
so inconsiderate. 
 
Oh, the creative way, right? 
 
Yep. 
 
Now, you've been doing this for a long time. 
 
 
 
And you'll be continuously be doing it for a very long time. But I'm curious, what is something. That you've created or released, that you are most proud of? And how has that come about?
 
I've actually got something really exciting and, it might even be released by the time people are listening to this, I'm gonna release my, piano album Terra Sonata. 
 
Ooh, what does that mean? 
 
It is, it's gonna have five songs. Usually a Sonata has three or four songs, but I'm cheating a little bit.
 
It's gonna have five songs that I've, written throughout the years and compiled together. Cut a little bit of the fluff that I wrote along the way. Wouldn't, yeah, even musicians sometimes write fluff here and there, but I cut it all out and. Yeah. Five piano solo songs that I'm really proud of.
 
Amazing. And when you say that you've written them along the way, is this a, a span of 10 years that you've been working on these compositions that are on this album or this record? 
 
Actually, the oldest one I started writing 13 years ago, in, in my opinion, I don't think I wrote it too well.
 
It's something that I. Yeah, put in the bank and revisit it. 
 
Amazing. I love those. I love those. Oh my goodness. Please tell me that your song until the end is one of those five. 
 
It will be, yes. Oh my goodness. 
 
Yay. For those listening. I was devastated when I listened on YouTube to this phenomenal song until the end.
 
Then I couldn't find it on Spotify and I was like, no, I wanna be able to listen to it all the time and yay. So hopefully when this episode lands, that song will be readily available. I'm sharing it straight away. Oh my God. I'm so excited. 
 
Thank you so much. That's really kind. 
 
Okay. On the flip side of things that you are proud of.
 
What is something that's challenged your creativity, do you think? 
 
Being cocky and naive? 
 
 
 
Oh my God. Tell me more. I'm so intrigued by this. 
 
When I was fresh out of uni, so this would've been eight years ago, one of my best friends and myself started writing a musical. Cool. We had it finished in one and a half years.
 
So both of us, we studied music composition, which had a little bit of lyric writing, but hardly any at all. Yeah. That was our specialty. The music, little bit of lyrics, we had absolutely no experience writing, dialogue or story. But that didn't stop us. We put on our show, we wore it as a badge of honor that Okay.
 
It only took one and a half years to write. And yeah, sure enough, when the feedback came in, the. People thought the music was nice, the lyrics were good enough, the dialogue was a little bit clunky, and the plot was an absolute disaster. 
 
No. What was the plot? What was the premise of the show? The 
 
premise of the show was a girl, she is asexual and her trying to fit in into this sex crazed world.
 
The premise was people liked the premise. They just didn't like the delivery. 
 
Interesting. Yeah. And I feel like sometimes if we realized how big the task at hand was, we would never start. But I'm curious like out 
 
 
 
off the back of that, 
 
 
 
what are the key takeaways?
 
Like how have you then come through that project and gone to the next project? 
 
Yeah, no, it's a, it's a fine line between, 
 
 
 
not wanting to scare yourself away by how daunting the task is. But, I guess for me personally, I didn't respect the disciplines, the other creative disciplines of lyric writing, dialogue, writing, and story I thought.
 
I thought, I studied music composition. Surely I'm good at, I'm good at everything else. But yeah, I wasn't she's 
 
lucky we didn't meet 13 years ago. You'd be like, oh, so sing a songwriter, please. 
 
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I learned the lesson for me was that each of these creative disciplines, they're an entire world.
 
And, yeah, they're exciting worlds. 
 
 
 
 
 
For me personally, I was feeling that I was a little bit bored of, writing dialogue, writing a story. It's just something to get the job done. 
 
 
 
yeah, that was a sign that I wasn't that good at it.
 
I think also too is as we get older, we recognize we're, our strengths. Like perhaps this project could have been an opportunity for you to realize another passion in another avenue, but it's also an opportunity for you go, maybe you didn't like that so much. Maybe next time I'm gonna 
 
Yeah.
 
Collaborate with somebody else to do that part. 
 
Yeah. Both, yeah. Both my co-writer and I, we've, ever since we've been studying, more about writing, creative writing and writing, writing music theater. So it's been. It's been really exciting to actually dig in and learn about how to do this properly.
 
Amazing. Oh, I love that. That's not, dampened your creativity in any way, and if anything, it's just made you pivot and learn more. I love that. 
 
Definitely. What a 
 
great lesson. 
 
Yeah. Yeah. Thanks 
 
for sharing. 
 
Yeah. 
 
 
 
Okay, my next question. I'm curious, what does or what is a object that you can't live without when you are creating, do you have one?
 
Oh, I don't, I could. I could give a cliche answer and say, my piano, my laptop, my music programs, but everyone needs those. 
 
True. 
 
Yeah. Should I, maybe I should. 
 
No, I think it's a particular question that for some people it will truly be exactly what you said. Piano, a laptop, a.
 
Yeah. Headphones. Yeah. All those kind of things. All those things. And for others it could be a bit more sentimental. So you don't have any lucky socks that you wear when you do gigs? 
 
I don't, yeah. Knowing me, if I did, I might freak out if I one day forgot them. 
 
I Are you superstitious? I 
 
don't think so.
 
I don't think so, but I can, sometimes things do get into my head. 
 
Okay.
 
In that way. 
 
Yeah. Yeah. Do you have like rituals when you go to gigs, like a particular process that you like to follow before you are like in the studio or before you go to gigs? 
 
I will try to limit, limit any, anything that's gonna cause anxiety or stress, a couple of hours before any show or performance.
 
Yeah. I'll have two coffees straight away every morning. 
 
Nice. Get that coffee into you straight away. Yeah.
 
I love that. I do that too. To be honest, I'm not good until I've 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
If you could give one nugget of gold, one piece of advice. To another creative, what would it be? 
 
It is orders of magnitude easier to critique something than it is to create something. 
 
Ooh, okay. Let this sink in. Spell it out for us. Break it apart for us 
 
for sure. It takes years, so many years to be bad at something and so many more years to become good at something.
 
And along the way you're going to hear, you might hear people say, it's, you are not made for this. You just don't have that natural talent. You're not a writer, you're not a singer. Et cetera. Yeah, don't listen to it. There is, there's a time and place for feedback. Of course. Yeah. People, if you do, if you have created something and you do want feedback, generally yeah, you can.
 
It's totally valid to get feedback from friends and family. Generally, people are very good at being able to tell when something's not right. But, in saying that if people do tell you. This isn't the right path for you, or you should just throw everything away. Never listen to that.
 
For example, Fur Elise, it takes about, five or six years of training before someone's ready to learn that song. Even the first page, the main theme that everyone knows, even that, at least two, usually about three years of training before someone's ready to learn that song, learn that page.
 
 
 
Yeah. So just 'cause you can't do it right now doesn't mean you can't do it a bit later. Exactly. You just gotta apply yourself.
 
Definitely. 
 
So you mentioned just then about obviously getting feedback, which is something in the creative space we get, whether we ask for it or not. 
 
Yes. 
 
But if you could give our listeners, or even for other creatives, like how do you think is a good way for that feedback to come?
 
Or how do you think the best way as a creative person is to ask for that feedback? From our community and from our listeners. 
 
If I have an idea that's not completely finished, not polished, then I will generally ask, other musicians or other creatives for, feedback or ideas. I'd only ask. Someone who isn't trained, who isn't a creative, for feedback.
 
Once, yeah, once the product is more polished and pretty close to finished. ' Sometimes people might hear that something's not quite right, but they might think it's, a problem with the content rather than a problem with the delivery.
Now, if you could give another creative, or even someone who wants to do what you do, would you give any advice and recommend any resources that they could develop their creative process with? 
 
A resource I've gotten into in this last year is repurpose. It's for social media. I find with creatives we rely heavily on promoting ourselves.
 
What it does is. If you post something on one platform, for example, on TikTok, you can set it to automatically post on YouTube shorts automatically on Instagram. Yeah, it does cost a bit, but it's, in my opinion, it's worth it. It gives, frees up a lot of time that you can be using for creating.
 
Amazing. And how did you find that?
 
 
 
I heard about it through my music business course. It's called Asuria. 
 
How did you find that? 
 
My sister again, the same one.
 
Oh, 
 
amazing. 
 
Yeah. 
 
And that helps with the financial side of. Yeah. Creation, like creating content, being a teacher, doing gigs, that kind of, 
 
yeah. Finances, promotion, business admin. Yeah. 
 
Yeah. Cool. And is it like a. Night course or like a weekend course. How long does the course go for? 
 
It was a nine month course.
 
Nine months? Yeah. Brilliant. Yeah, 
 
it's brilliant. Brilliant. Yeah. 
 
Oh, we'll have to give details in the show notes for that course. Sounds like that has been quite helpful for you. 
 
Definitely. It doesn't cost anything either. 
 
Oh really? Yeah. 
 
Really. Oh, 
 
brilliant. We like things that are free. Yeah, we do.
 
 
 
 
 
And last but not least, one last question. If you could hear another creative come on this podcast and answer these questions, who would it be and why? 
 
I had love to hear next, a person I've worked with a few times over the years. Her name's Victoria Mantynen. She's an incredible, performer, singer, actor, creator.
 
She creates her own shows as well. She delivers her shows with, yeah, they're really polished and professional. I'd love to hear more about, what happens behind the scenes. 
 
Cool. And what kind of genre is her craft? 
 
She can do, I'm pretty sure she can do any genre. If you asked her, I'm pretty sure her main genre is like 1940s, 1950s.
 
Yeah, the kind of. Hollywood from back then. 
 
That's cool. Yeah. Oh, I love that. What a vibe. What a vibe. Yeah. 
Oh my goodness. Thank you so much for coming through the Creative door and having this beautiful chat
 
you are such a vibe. 
 
Thank you so much for having me. It's been amazing. 
 
Yay.
 

BSIDE Chris by Christine and The Queens

Featured Artist: Christine and the Queens
Featured Vinyl: Chris
 
Alexis’ Hot Pick 
What’s-her-face (english) / Machin-chose (french)
Sam’s Hot Pick
Girlfriend
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 Hello from the 
How are you? 
Oh, very well, my friend. How are you? 
I'm very well too. I am enjoying the vibe that's coming through the screen and this week there's so much dancing going on. I love it. Little 
bit. I'm a happy little bear for multitude of reasons.
One 'cause I'm mostly happy Beth, but I have an amazing offering for us. Chat about this week. 
I cannot wait. I have been melting into this one. It's been so much fun. 
My offering this week is a vinyl called Chris by Christine and the Queen 
Second album, I believe. 
Coolest  artwork, telling the story of what they're going for. Artwork is just bang on. It's on point for exactly what they're trying to convey with this record.
It's so cool. 
I have fallen in love with this record many moons ago for a multitude of reasons. One. Because Christine and the Queens did essentially a double of this record. So there are all English tracks and then I think all but one of them have a French version. by golly, is it stunning.
So if you actually find this online, you will. Get all 23 tracks English and French. For me, I was very sad in the sense that, one, I got to have this vinyl love it, but I couldn't find the French version that sold out everywhere that I went looking. So very sad. But I'll take what I can get. It's fine.
What was your top pick? 
Okay. I have to qualify here before I went from my top pick. The first time I had listened through this, or the first time I got down to sit, to listen to this was in a hotel room at about 2:00 AM and I think I just didn't get to bed until another hour and a half afterwards because I only listened to a couple of tracks and they did not leave my brain.
They're 
so good. 
It was, ah. What the, just that initial opening of Come see and I just went, oh my God, this is amazing. Just 
slop these offerings. I'm just like opening you up to a very different world. It's 
so much fun. The production on this is 
very cool, 
immaculate. It is a little bit synth wave.
It's a little bit poppy. It's got. I cannot describe how much fun I had listening through this. Again, music brain took off, so I started listening to the lyrics about a week later. But Quick Hot Pick was Girlfriend. 
Yes, 
because, and again, it took me the entirety of the last two weeks trying to pick. A hot pick.
 
For the pure reason, if I had so much fun with the record, this one sat really grooved, sat really nicely and chilled out after I'd listened through the whole thing once. Coming back to the record again. After listening through it. Then getting to chill down to this was really cool.
The message in its powerful as and it's, I've really love the fact that it will actually hit differently depending on how you're coming to it. But yeah, just sit back and melt into it. That's all I can say. That's the good version. 
And one of the tracks that has a corresponding English and French.
Yes. Yes. 
Yeah, it's stunning being the way the 
vocal work is incredible. Yeah, if you're, I have to say, if you're a fan of Prince 
 
 
if you're a fan of Prince, 85% of these tracks are right up your alley. And they label because music, I had a quick little dig. They rereleased prince's, MPL sound as a limited edition.
Fairly recently. So yeah, they've got that link and a lot of their artists have a similar kind of sound. They've got some Tame Impala on there. Major laser is on because music as well, label outta France. So much fun. Do you have a hot pick? 
 
I do have a hot pick. And just like what you were saying, super hard to just choose one out of the 23 tracks essentially. But you've got the English and French versions. If I had to roll it down, it would be what's her face?
What a 
great title. Okay, I've got a few points here of why this is my favorite. So let me roll them out. I have got one, it's got real bare bones production, which I froth at. It's got this really heavy pulsing bass and absolutely adore bvs that are like uber haunting and ghosty that really support a main vocal one froth at that.
Two, her main vocal line, holy hell, those runs are to die for. And they just are so emotive and they make me sad. They just make me sad, and I feel all the feels, and I fricking love it. 
I love this because it makes me hurt. 
Oh my God, it makes me hurt so much and I'm all for it. Oh my God. I don't know if I'm a sucker for punishment, but I search for songs and albums that have that in it.
It's just, oh, because it, it transports you to a sad memory or time. Like it just, I don't mind visiting those places and being in that and a song like this. Oh, I always think it's songs like this. It's like when you are in your darkest, you'll search for songs like this. Or you're a sucker for punishment like me, and I just wanna revisit a sad moment.
Exactly before you got to your third point. I was really interested in when you're talking about the way, the reason why this one spoke to you, and it sounds a lot like your track casualty. 
Oh, really? Real 
parallels there. Soon as I listened to it, I went, I've heard this before. 
Do you know what that is?
What, but if you go back and listen to 
casualty, 
what a compli Hey wait. Hang on. Wait. Is this a compliment because it sounds like it, or is this to say that I ripped it off? 'cause I know my shape is, oh no, you are. 
I'm not accusing you of plagiarism whatsoever. I realize that now, but no.
This is. It sounds like your sound in that chin. Oh 
wow. What? It's oh, thank you. 
Yeah, it, I can see exactly why it spoke to you. Yeah. And people listening, go and check out these two side by side. Listen to what's her face by Christine and the queens, and then go and put casualty on by the lady who's sitting in a screen in front of me.
You're too kind brother, too kind. Okay, so my third and final thing to say about this it won't be my final, but I read somewhere that she did the final vocals in one bloody take. 
 
Bam. 
There is a lot there. 
There's a lot 
there. There's there. 
One of the write-ups that I read talks about how they wanted to emulate the feeling of crying from the inside.
Yeah. Oh, and really, again, hits that emotive button and I'm all for it. 
Yes. When the creative process is deliberately telling a story, not just being there and recording something, oh, actually, your a hundred percent method of creating this sound is. Part of the storytelling. 
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. There was a couple of quotes that I found and I'd love to read them.
Yeah. One is that no matter what, you eventually become free, empowered, the lingering feeling of once an outsider, always an outsider. Was one of the quotes that I found from Christine and the Queens about this song. Wow. Okay. And another was, it's like a wound that sometimes wakes up bleeds, even when something really small happens a side eye to a feeling of betrayal.
Wow. 
 
 
No wonder why it speaks to me. This is 
All me.
there's just so much in this record that Yeah, if you are listening. Do yourself a favor and listen to this one. It is stunning. Absolutely stunning. 
And read some interviews or read some articles about the record while you're listening to this one.
There is so much detail and depth and consideration in how they created this on top of making it sound fricking amazing. 
That's right. 
There's depth to this one that I've not encountered in a long time.
Well said, brother. Until next time for the next offering, 
I cannot wait. 
 

12 | Becoming A Master Of Something New with Mad Dame

Alexis chats with Mad Dame - a Melbourne photographer and artist specialising in nude glitter portraits celebrating all genders and bodies. She shares her grounding rituals, the story of how her business came about, and how she creates deep, intentional experiences for every client that steps into her world. Mad Dame talks about embracing imperfection, using every resource fearlessly, and offers her secret to authentic networking. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about creativity, connection, and self-expression
 
If you’d like to see more, you can follow Jess on instagram, all art @maddameart or glitter portraits at @maddameglitter 
 
This episode was recorded on 11th May 2025 on the lands of the Woiworung Peoples. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being.
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 Hello, my name is Alexis Naylor, and I am your host here at Through The Creative Door. On behalf of myself and my guests, I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. May we pay our respects to all First Nations people and acknowledge elders past and present. On this podcast, I'll be chatting to an array of creative guests, getting a glimpse into their worlds and having some honest and inspiring conversations along the way. I am delighted to welcome you to Through the Creative Door.
 
Thank you so much, Jess, for coming through the Creative Door. This is a beautiful space. There's a lot of visuals happening. 
 
There's a lot of visuals happening. I mean, we could describe it with like really juicy words and let people like go into themselves and try to see what that looks like in their imagination. And then when they see it, they'll be like, oh my God, is it what I was thinking? It's better. Or it's like even more realistic and magical than I could have ever thought. 
 
How do you describe this space? 
 
This is called the Pink Palace. It's like an energy room. Like people will come in here, whether it's like the colored lights of pink or the colour of pink, that's everywhere.
 
That's really like, ah, like people feel like they're home or in a familiar space. Mm. So familiarity in a way. 
 
So you are such a talented bear, such an amazing photographer, but you specialise in, how would I say, like nude, all inclusive, gender inclusive, like glitter portraits, right? Like that's your like, sort of niche.Yeah. You obviously are like this amazing creator and makes these amazing worlds around it as well. 
 
So my, my creativity has brought me to this. Thing that I am mastering, and it is a niche of female identifying individuals that come in that feel like they need to move energy or celebrate or move through, move through something they're accepting, through having their body painted in glitter, specifically glitter.
 
And if anyone comes in with whatever they're dealing with, and as they are in their body, and as soon as I put this glitter on their body, their eyes light up and they're just like, who am I? What is this? I want this forever. And, and they be, they come back to themself, is the way they describe it. They forget about anything that's bothering them.
 
The things that that are going on in the outside world. They come into this. Pink sanctuary and go into play space and just come back to themselves. They say, this feels really familiar. And I'm like, how do I describe it? It sound sounds like what you're saying is like you are coming home to connecting with yourself.
 
It's fucking cool as shit and that's why it's privilege. Yeah, it's every time I do it, I'm just like, I know. Expanded with joy much more and. Yeah, I think when you know why you get up to do the creative thing. Mm-hmm. Then. It becomes juicier. 
 
So where in your creative space, what does a creative space mean to you and why?
 
Yeah. Okay. So, uh, a creative space to me is the word sanctuary. This is my four walls where no one can come and fuck with me. No one can tell me what to do. No one's opinion matters, but my own, this is. My safe space and I can tell you how it came to if you like, I'd 
 
love to hear it. 
 
Literally, this is the rebel teenage girl's bedroom.
 
Is it not? Oh my God. We've got like dolly partner of a shotgun fuck year on the wall, paint anything I fucking want on the walls. This is teenage rebel girl bedroom. I started my portraits in my bedroom when I was 19. People would pay me and I'd just like pin up a bit of fabric and they'd come in and I'd do it.
 
But also like my bedroom growing up was. The safe space where I would go to close the doors, feel my feelings in private, and then decide what to use that energy for. But I was gonna spend so much time being an emotional being in my room. Um, the walls reflected that. So the walls, I would paint it. So my teenage bedroom was eggplant with like hot pink walls and then punk rock stuff.
 
And then I would change the walls, would change my space, my place to express myself. Um. And my work's very emotionally driven, like it comes from that, like I am honoring the rebel teenage girl that didn't know how to express herself. So that's where that key comes into this. The reason this room is pink, because we moved from one street over and I was really comfortable in that space.
 
I was really like after COVID, like bringing up, ramping up the energy again, and then we had to, we had to move out being artists. The buildings we choose are like kind of derelict and they get closed down. So I had to come into this room and it's a bit smaller and I looked at it when it was white and a boring office.
 
I was like, how am I gonna do my creativity in here? Like, I was leveling up. This is shit, what the fuck? And I was angry and I was upset, and I was ready to leave. And you know, just like tears were had, you know? And I was like, fuck this, I'm a fucking paint it pink. Um, you can all go to hell. Not that anyone was telling me not to.
 
I was just like, I'm gonna paint it pink. And that was what made me feel better. Like my creativity is an extension of my feelings. So I was like, I just wanna paint it pink. No rules, no thought really. I impulse impulsivity. And then I also was like, I also just wanna cut a love heart in the door. So I cut a love heart in the door and covered it in fluff and put like the clouds on the roof, like I've had clouds in like my teenage bedroom and other studios.
 
And I just did it in like three days and realized that. That dark, pissed off energy that it had turned into your transmuted space of like freedom. So when people open the door and look through the love heart, it's like a love portal. This room is a space of love because that's actually who I am and owning that is reflective in the space of what I give and who I am.
 
How's that? 
 
Yeah, that's perfect. Yeah, but it's true. Like we spoke off mic about your little love heart portal through the door, and I think that's it. It's like when you are creating such a welcoming, inclusive space, others are gonna be super curious and wanna peep in, wanna see what's going on. Oh, I want them to 
 
peep 
 
in.
 
I don't wanna 
 
hide. 
 
It's just seamless that no one has to. I put the little. Privacy thing down so no one sees, you know, people getting their boobs out. Yeah, 
 
yeah, yeah. Well, you know, we've, we've gotta look after everyone. Yeah. But
 
so it sounds like you are just so proud of the whole curating of this life and world and space, but I'm curious within that. Mm-hmm. Is there a piece or a body of work that you are most proud of creating and how did that come about? 
 
Okay, so you're asking what's your favorite work from the past 25 years?
 
I mean, it's a hard one. Yes. 
 
But it's always gonna come back to somewhere, you know? Yeah. Um, when it comes to something I'm proud of, I would have to say my art book's called Deed. So I created an art book. Which was, uh, sort of like a magazine, um, a fine art magazine in 2013. And it was really hard to do, but it came from a spark.
 
It came from soul work, spark. So if anything in my body, my nervous system lights up when I create something. That's the real shit that is like this is put going you towards the reason you exist and nothing's gonna stop you, which is also my attitude. So I created this book to get off the internet, um, as a, as a 2D image maker.
 
Oh, just, you know, putting things on the internet. I'm existing, it's being consumed. What next? I was like, there's gonna be so much more to being an artist or being a photographer than that. I'm a fine art photographer. I'm fine art trained, so I know how to print a book. I know how to present an artwork. So I was like.
 
Ah, let's do something with this. And there's a, there's a little backstory how it came about. It's the number one question I get asked all the time. And that number one question is like, how did you start glittering people? Can I tell you about it? I'd love to hear about it. Okay, so this will lead to what, the reason I made the book, so is to kind of do like fashion photography, um, what would you call it?
 
Uh. The one-off pieces people would make couture, and this designer had made, like an amateur designer had made these heel list shoes in like 2012, as was the style at the time, Jeffrey Star of Hunger Games. And they were all right. They were pink literature, like, I know you like glitter, so maybe you could shoot these.
 
I'm like, how am I gonna make these better? Okay. Like they were just a bit tacky. Why don't I just Photoshop that pink into the girl's leg. I'll just cover her in glitter. No big deal. I use glitter every now and then. So my model was big TDI athlete, six foot. I laid her down, covered her in glitter, and then she like rose, she like stood up and I was like, oh my fucking God, what have I created?
 
This is insane. And I ran around the whole studio. I was like, come on, look at my goddess. Holy shit. Um. And that was the spark moment, right? And I knew this was really special. I knew what I created. I'd never seen it before and it was mine. I wanted to present it to the world, but I just didn't wanna put it on the internet to be consumed.
 
And I didn't want anyone to just see it and just copy me because I do inspire a lot of people. So. One of my assistants was like, if anyone could make a zine or a magazine, you could. Two weeks later, I called him back. I was like, oh my God, we're doing it. We're gonna do it on glitter. We're gonna put glitter on the cover, and this is how I'm gonna show everybody this thing I'd created.
 
So from this Spark thing that I created, I created an editorial exploring all the different versions of individuals I could glitter and how it made them feel, and I learned everything about it. Um, and then I put it in the book. I launched the book, we had a launch party and it was full of like it. It was just, it was one of those IT parties.
 
I was like, wasn't even present in my brain. I'm like, how is this happening? Like, who am I to the world right now? And had eight women all covered in glitter, like on podiums and no one had seen anything like that before. And so that book. When it was out, it kind of leveled up myself as an artist and in my career as someone that's capable of doing more and bringing people together, which I never thought about it at the time that I'm really a great facilitator.
 
And so I went on and presented three more books and they align exactly with like my mental health and my journey, what I'm capable of. Everything that I feel like that I've learned about. Everything that I'm probably about to talk to you about and since the last book came out, my career exploded, like literally exploded.
 
You are busy, your calendar's massively busy. It's fantastic. 
 
Yeah, so that is probably a, a pinpoint proud moment thing that I was able to do, even though it was a lot of hard lessons, a lot of really great life lessons. Um, it's eternal and people are still like, oh, I still have this book and it's. What year? In 2013? It came out 12 years. So interesting that you talk about that project having some challenges and some life lessons. Yeah. I'm curious, are some of those life lessons, would you say any of those, uh, challenged your creativity? 
 
I've had so many challenges. And even like just before you come in, I was like thinking about challenges.I was like, I've had so many challenges, but also I'm fucking successful as fuck. So they go hand in hand. If you don't overcome a challenge, how are you gonna grow to become the version you wanna be? So all the challenges I've had at the time, yes, they were harder. Now I'm like, oh baby girl, look how funny.
 
Look how far you come, you adult.
 
And owning that and like putting that older version of myself that's had the challenges next to me with love and Grace, I feel like my number one challenge has been as a creative person and as a person that offers my creativity as a service, as a gift, as an exchange, as an, as, an, as a, as an energy exchange is boundaries.
 
I have had my creative boundaries and my personal boundaries pushed by people, um, that just wanna receive and take your creativity. And the thing I've learned about myself is that I never realized that I'm not a giver. I'm a fixer, and I am a love field person, especially the love field. I've been denying that based on my own personal challenges that I, I love, love, I love giving.
 
I just never knew that. And so when I stepped into that, you know, I was able to understand why people want my shit. Okay. Whoa. So when I think of boundaries being pushed, it could be feeling objectified as a thing rather than a person, and that can come in tune with. Saying, uh, like your identity as an artist, your identity as a person, identity as a business.
 
So as Mad Dame, which is my artist's name, I, a lot of people didn't know my real name for a long time, and I kept it that way 'cause I was playing a role as this being, rather than letting myself be human and have downtime, I just would step into this. Character, this alter ego that could do anything. And so I felt, yeah, really resentful to people being like, but you are this thing that does this thing, so give it to me.
 
And especially, yeah. No, no. And especially when, um, the glitter took off like I wanted to give it to everybody, can everybody have it? But that ended up looking like me working. 12, 15 hours a day. I think I photographed like 12 hours straight a day and was really exhausted, but outta my head and didn't even know that I had the ability to stop.
 
And that it's almost like what you were saying before about um, wanting to give things now, now, now, now, now kind of, um. And so not having boundaries of like, this is when I can give service or this is where the creativity stops. Creativity is feminine energy that just leaks out if it doesn't have a boundary or a wolf or stop, like eating and drinking doesn't exist because energy, uh, creative energy is on another level, like out of here.
 
So yeah, I was outta my head for like a year just creating until I burnt out and like was really sick. Like I didn't know I was sick. How did you, like, did you essentially have to absolutely burn out. Totally. For you to then go, oh shit, hang on, this is not work. I gotta find a better way. 
 
Yep. Um, so I created the, the magazine and was working really hard on that and like, um, photographing 12 hours a day and then I did it twice with the second one.So we worked for six months straight on two books. And, um, so, so many more other projects in there. And I burnt out and my mom was like, you need to go and rest. Why don't you just go live in our holiday house and live off like the government and just take a break? And so I was like on zero energy with everybody that existed in my life.
 
And, um, people were taking and taking, and even though I was giving space for people to have their work put in a book for free, I was still like. Uh, people were still upset that I wasn't doing it the best for them, and I was like, whoa, what, what is going on? Um, and so I, I shut everything off. I, I might've even turned my, my Facebook off.
 
I mean, this is like 2013. This was a while ago. Um, I was really depressed. I was really sick. I was like seven kilos lighter and I didn't even know. And like there was a lot of, um, there was a documentary that came to one of the launches and I was saying stuff that's just like, what the fuck is she saying? Like, I wasn't even in my head. And they were just like, oh, okay. Yeah. Cool. So I was really mentally unwell and no one could see it unless they were around me all day long. If someone saw it for like a day or a minute, they would've been like, oh, she's really just eccentric and creative. Um, so I literally.
 
I felt like something needed to change in my body, in me. So I shut everything off, was worried everybody would forget about me, and I'm gonna tell you like, no, that doesn't exist. And I changed my, my diet and I actually probably leveled up in like spirituality completely by accident. So I'd stopped taking sugar and I thought, if this stops me from being depressed, I'm never gonna take sugar again.
 
And then as I changed my diet and was ready to come back to Melbourne, maybe six months later, I. I was a whole new person and I made my next book, and it was the best book. It was so focused, it was so intentional, and because I'd gone through such a dark phase, I made it about dark meets light. I. I still had to honor where I'd come from 'cause I didn't feel like that anymore.
 
All the dark things that I had like put together for this issue, I didn't feel it anymore. I was like, in this enlightened new phase, I was 29 or 28, sorry, I turned 28. So like that's an age where people like, woo, light up. Um, especially when you discover new things and new versions of yourself. So I honored it with the light side.
 
I let everybody come to the launch for free. I wasn't needing to receive anything from anybody. Everyone was amazing. Everyone was aligned where I was at. No one was trying to take anything from me, and people brought their creativity to the launch and were like, it was a liberated space. Yeah. 
 
It's such an interesting transition, but like it's so relatable. Oh great. 
 
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So relatable. 
 
Honour that dark side though. Honour where you come from. One thing that I have learned is like when you are feeling dark and like a piece of shit create, because you're gonna lose that and you're gonna feel really good again soon. And then you'd be like, why didn't I capture that energy when I had it?
 
Yeah. Yeah. And as a, I can only, I guess, put a lens of my own creativity over that. It's like you create a thing in that darkness. And then you share it in your light. Yeah. Like that's really a good way of saying it. You don't, you don't, you're not in it anymore. You visit it. Mm. But you, you can almost share it because you are not living it.
 
Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the best way. Yeah. Do you have an object or thing that you can't live without when you're creating? 
 
There are like one or two objects that I can tell you about, but when it comes to really thinking about when someone walks through the door and like the, the thing's gonna happen.
 
Things have to be done in a certain way. It's not OCD, it's grounding. You walked in and I told you to pick a card. Yeah, this is one thing that I take to all shoots because I get a whole range of individuals that come into my space and it's about curating energy. So, um, I think my Oracle goddess deck of cards is something that I take with me.
 
Anyone can pick it if someone comes in and they're quite overwhelmed and excited. So after they get into like the different spaces and energy, I want to. Hone in on getting them focused and getting, like understanding how they're where they're at. So I ask them to pick a card and even the way they pick the card or respond to it or pick it or, and what it is.
 
They'll resonate with it. So it kind of is like a grounding things like, remember why you are here now let's get a reflection as to why you are here. So you can remember that you haven't just walked in for like a good time. You've walked in for an intentional time, and sometimes they just go deep for some people.
 
And I love that because I can expand on it for them and then start to gauge in such a deeper way, which is my innate. You know, self, you know, the thing that I do, I'm very intuitive. I'm like, Ooh, this is why you are here. Now let's like get right into it. And like, and the card will sometimes even reflect the glitter color they have chosen or, um, oppose they end up doing, it's very like, woo, let's happening.
 
There's a bit of something extra in the air, I think. So, um, having a, a card to help guide. The session. Yeah. And a physical object like duh. A camera, but, but I have a old film lens from a 35 mil camera. It was my granddad. So you would've had it from like the seventies. It's the first lens that I've ever taken a portrait on.
 
Like 25 years ago, and I still use it. I put it on a digital camera, it has like a little adapter, and I put this old film lens onto a digital camera and it just captures the essence and the, the glitter so much better than a digital lens. 
 
Interesting. 
 
Yeah. I've compared it and I'm like. Wow. Like the first portrait is to take, have this like depth to it.
 
What's changed? I'm like, it's this old glass lens and yeah, it's very sentimental. Like it's fallen apart and like, I love it and I feel like such a unique, uh, photographer. And I guess the, the, the camera is a tool is also kind of like. A tool to put between me and you. I'm taking a portrait to help you feel at ease that there's something happening, rather than me just staring at you and telling you, you are cool and beautiful.
 
I feel like. I can I just just say like, being a photographer and having this really great lens and having this camera in front of my eye for 25 years, people don't realize that I'm just been staring at humans for 25 years, like staring into their eyes. That's sort of creepy, staring into their souls.
 
I've literally been staring into people for 25 years that I've learned how to read people. So that lens has helped me have this tool to connect. 
 
How beautiful. I love this. Mm. Well, speaking of people knowing exactly where they stand with you, I'm intrigued to know if you could give one nugget of gold to another creative, what would it be?
 
Uh, use your resources. Use the fuck out of them. Don't get stuck in any perfectionist way or that I need it to be like this. To be like this. Being creative is also a discovery, a work in progress. You need to make mistakes, you need to fuck up to discover something you didn't know you were looking for. I always have to say this to students, unlike any opportunity you have to use a resource like, um, like the studio or something at your school.
 
Use it. Even if you don't have an idea. Get in there and photograph anything. Use the lights, use the backdrop. Use yourself. Use your friends. It's not about the outcome at all. If you happen to create something, great, fuck yeah, but you need to practice. You need to fuck up. You need to do things outside of what you get taught, so then you can become a master of something new.
 
Okay. Note to yourself, Alexis. If someone wanted to develop their creative process, and this sort of goes off what you were saying about using your resources and, and just, you know, diving in, but if someone wanted to create, to develop their creative process and do what you do in any way, shape, or form, would you recommend any courses or resources, any books?
 
I thought about this and I was like, getting a mentor is like. Boss, but finding those mentors is hard. But in order to find a mentor, don't do any cold calling emails. I mean, give it a go. The best way, and I've seen it work, is go and knock on someone's door. Take a risk. Go to the party, get drunk, talk to the person.
 
I have literally given out so many jobs when I was in my twenties 'cause I was drunk at a party in my ego. Like, oh, I'm so important you can come work for me. Right. Um, and that was the advice that I got given in my fine art course, was like. Go to parties and talk to 'em. I'm like, fuck off. Like, gimme something I can use.
 
But it was true because networking baby. Yeah. So, so networking is a big deal, but do it with grace and like, I, I don't know, like intention instead of like trying to take something from someone. You'd be surprised at how many older, um, artists are in their phase of like, understanding to give, uh, give back to.
 
Young artists because we've been the young artist. Your mentoring works in a way to connect with an individual that you choose. School is like a blanket thing to like just get everybody covered. Doesn't know like one-on-one. I think people can actually receive more by having conversations, by being around people.
 
I've definitely seen people's lives change by, uh. Or like just take a different direction by connection, say connection to an individual that will give them time. For example, like a mentor. So I've had a few work experience kids back in the day come through and like seeing them thrive or even the reward as an individual that I get by having someone.
 
Take in things that I didn't know that they needed. So like we can be like shooting all day and they would've just learn heaps by doing, rather than me being like, blah, blah, blah, do it, do it, do this. They're just watching them and absorbing. I feel like there's a few, few artists in this building that are older, so older artists are probably ideal.
 
They've got some older ways of doing things. So it's more about creativity than about, oh, how do I exist on social media? Like I know how to exist on social media. I'm not that old, but there's, you know, life lessons in there about how to be a creative person in the world today. And what does that look like?
 
I think. Being able to have those conversations and that where that, where you can find that I guess, is yes, you'll have a great conversation at an art gallery, open with some dude with a wine glass, and then you'll know if that's the right conversation for you. Or you're like, oh my God, like stop talking to me about this thing I don't care about.
 
But if there's like some wacky artist that you're like. I wanna be that person. Guaranteed. They're probably just as scared of the world as you are. So don't, don't put anybody on a pedestal thinking that they're outside of your or, because we're all human. 
 
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I can see myself giving that advice to myself right now.
 
It's like, oh my god, you know? This other female artist is so powerful. I'm like, yeah, but they still have these like insecurities and doubts in their body. They just know how to get through it. So don't underestimate or be intimidated to take a risk and knock on someone's door of somebody that has, uh, is where you wanna be at.
 
I really think it works, like I've been around for a while. And people are too scared to like step outta their comfort zone. So if you are too scared to step outta your comfort zone, how are you going to get out there to the big, bad world and express yourself in ways that most people probably will or will not like?
 
It's down to how you feel. Yeah. 
 
Well said. Well said. Yeah. Got one last question for you. If you could hear another human being on this podcast, maybe another creative or who knows, who would it be and why? 
 
This studio is full of street artists. In a city like Melbourne, where it's everywhere. Getting to talk to someone that can tell you the history and the meaning and the why and the subculture of it.
 
It gets horny. It gets juicy. Like I am ready to like co-collaborate on how to take that. Aspect into my world and my world into that world and to, and to see what it means, you know, and the reason why, and like the, the hidden rules about putting artwork on the street over other people's artwork. And there's rules, there's rules, there's street rules to, you know, um, so there's quite a few people in this building that.
 
Would share something I think other people have never heard about. Wow. Okay. I'm intrigued. Yeah. I mean, I don't know which individual would be the best one to point out, but I think Melbourne Street artist. 
 
Oh my goodness. Jess, thank you so much for this beautiful chat. It's been amazing. Thank you. No, thank you for coming into the Pink Palace.
 
Yay. Pink Palace Pink.
 
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